Danish Classics, Show Them To Me.

12cent

print 1 pos 38 (setting 12, which is where my main focus lies)
print 2

setting 12, only has 100øre print 1 and 12cent print 1..

THE most interesting print in my oppionion... it has frametypes from maingroup 1, 2 AND 3

maingroup 1 is thick frames, most likely unused clichés from 48skilling, this setting has two of those in position 60 and 95.
maingroup 2 is early skilling clichés. (8 such clichés)
maingroup 3 is early øre (the remaining 90)

maingroup 2 clichés can be traced to many other prints starting in the first skilling issues and in most values and 3,4,8,16,20 and 100øres.

and you can see how the clichés evolve from 1871 to 1877... it's a fascinating area.

i'll do a post with pictures later on.

Fascinating, Sorsh, thank you.

I doubt that I would ever learn all this lore but at least I will look at bicolored ovals with much more respect now, and try to get those that seem interesting.

Held og lykke og god healt!

thanks for the picture sharing.

it seems to me you have the right focus... get stamps in good quality, with nice clean cancels and you're well on your way.

i personally would prefer an empty space, instead of "spacefilling" it... even a thinned stamp ruins it for me.. it might be beautiful from the front, but if I know it has a thin it ruins the joy for me.

setting 12 - my fascination!

first, my crown jewel of setting 12. 25block 12cent print 1.
it pains me greatly to violate it down to this pityful resolution this site allows, but here it is.



setting 12 is produced from the least worn clichés from setting 10, including the thick frame from position 10.25 (setting 10. pos A25) and 8 skillings clichés (A, B and C types)
one aditional "new" thick frame enters in position 12.60 (setting 12 pos 60(no A or B since single sheet))
the empty gaps are filled with 25 brand new clichés.

the tracking of these reused clichés is like gold digging with a toothpick.
a certain amount was made, few has been preserved and spread over the world and you're looking for 1 stamp from 1 print of a certain position.

naturally these isolated things are preserved in a greater number since people have been able to identify them for many years.
that makes it easier, and alot more expensive.

next post, i'll show some examples of these "migrations"

Thick frames.

originally used to print 48skilling after which they were taken out of use for about 5years. 1870-1875.
then reappear to use for several øre values. the plate being replaced so that 99 frames are inverted and 1 normal.
later again in reused to print 12øre print 3, and replaced again most likely by a drunk apprentice who dropped them on the floor, because now there are 53 normal and 47 inverted frames.

this is discovered and the clichés are once again sorted and placed in order for production of 1 cent print 2 and 3 cent print 2.
one cliché is however placed inverted and 5 clichés are damaged (maybe from the drop in the floor) and these are replaced by "skillingsclichés" so that there are 94 thick normal frame and 1 thick inverted and 5 skllingscliché.

after these prints all these thick frame clichés are scrapped.

2 new ones appear (reserve clichés till now unused). and these are the fun ones.

first appearance is 8øre print 7 pos A25.



tell tale sign is a break in the thin inner frame above M in denmark... unfortunately this is covered from a slightly misplaced oval on this stamp, and it's not always visible depending on the composure of the ink/paint used.

this clichés migrates to 100øre print 1 pos 95 which i'm missing and can't show.
then reused in 3øre print 5



8øre print 11 (not in the best shape)



16øre print 5 which I also don't have, and then the cliché disappear forever!

and this is the story of setting 12 position 95

position 60 has an even more interesting story, and i'll do that one later.

Hello,

I was looking at this stamp and noticed the detail I dont have on other such stamp. Is this common occurance or regular print?

i'm not sure what you're referring to, I immediately noticed a frameflaw, but on your enhanced picture I don't understand what you're referring to, and I see nothing out of the ordinary.

your stamp is print 30 position 45, with ovalflaw 2.11

Thank you Sorsh.
I was referring to the fact that the branchon the lower side of the top left corner inside the frame has extension that connects it to the central corner motif:

the printing process of the bicoloured stamps of this era was that you could only print 1 colour at a time, I believe Russia was the first to make stamps in more than 1 colour, and then denmark?

so, in order to make the danish stamps you'd need a plate with frames, and one with ovals.. and sometimes the ovals are centered to one side.

however, the stuff you circled is ink from the cancel.

Thanks Sorsh,

I really dont know much about printing process and I thank you for telling me how it works.
I dont however believen that the stuff I circled is from the cancel. You can clerly see that the cancel is below that spot, and that is not a smudge, but a straight thin line in the colour of the frame.

Regards

We've see many Danish stamps, up through the early 1900's, and I'm wondering are thete any other issues that are considered "classics"? I know in philately in general classic era stamps are generally 1840-1940, but what about in Danish philatelic circles? I am also fond of the King Christian bi-colors stamps, but are they also considered "classic"?

no, classic is really only skilling and bi coloured.

however, there are lots of interesting stories on both service stamps, coat of arms, King Christian X... but I guess those are for other topics.

"Classic" used, I think, to refer to the issues of the first thirty years or so of postage stamps. It now seems to stretch to around 1900. Extending the term to cover middle period issues up to 1940 is simply marketing by catalogue publishers.

I have a few hundred of the 4ø, but haven't done much with them. I have basically only separated them into maingroups 4 & 5. I was noticing some of the colors and shades however. Most of what I have seems to be in the range of the stamp on the left (blues and greenish blues). I know there are also ultramarine shades, but I don't think I have any. I do, however, have a few that are a light, very "bright" blue, such as the stamp on the right. Since I only found a few, I was wondering if they are just faded, or altered?