Danish Classics, Show Them To Me.

Side stepping from the bi-colored issues, the weapon type is also one of my favorites. Here are 3 with Facit-listed flaws:

The first one has the "broken circle" (large, RH circle around the 20). The 2nd is the "broken right frame line". The 3rd is the short-footed 2 in the LL corner.

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spain_1850 - Thanks for posting those weapon type varieties - not seen very often!

Sorsh, I will check when I get home from work. I can't seem to access my emails from my phone.

@Blaamand. on this forum I could imagine they're not seen often - and 1 of the stamps you couldn't be more accurate... the middle one with the break in the right frame. is EXTREMELY rare - so rare that I have never seen one for sale ever! we'll get to value later, i'll drag it out to build up excitement :)

i too plate these coat of arms, mainly the 20øre value so I know a thing or two on these issues as well.

bicolored frameflaws are called "clichéflaws" or "Frame matrice" the coat of arms opperate in " Matrice types" and "galvano flaws"... all stamps should have a matriceflaw (should because not all prints are known in 100 stamp sheets so not all are known yet.) most stamps would also have a galvano flaw.. a galvano in coat of arms is ALWAYS tied to the same Matriceflaw through the prints.

so... to the first stamp



shown is the first screen of 3, 19 matriceflaws are known in 20øre... matrice 1, 2 and 3 are listed in facit and most other catalogues as varieties (there're NOT varieties)

matrice 1 which your stamp has are found in 330 positions in all prints of 20øre, if you do some math on how many positions and how many sheets where made you'd see that these "varieties" are extremely common.

your stamp is perf 12 3/4 making it difficult to plate, unless you can find a galvano flaw in it.

so that stamp is fun to have, extremely common.

the same is true for the 3rd stamp. found in 276 positions.

anyone excited yet?

2nd stamp is where it gets really really fun and profitable.

the stamp has a galvano flaw 2.101 (2 stands for 2. series, and the 101 is just the number of the flaw) and it has a matrice type 6.



this flaw is found in 13 positions so compared to the other 2 stamps already much rarer.



the flaw is also in those catalogues listed as facit 55v2 at a catalogue value of 1300 SEK.. but wait...... this stamp is perf. 12 3/4?????

only print 17 is perf 12 3/4 with this flaw, meaning this is position A5 (A stamp for A sheet and B stand for B sheet, these stamps were printed in double sheets.)

now back to facit we find that this stamp is facit 60v2 and listed at SEK 14000 !!

this stamp is extremely rare... and should easily sell at a danish auction for somewhere between $400-600 maybe even more!

so a big congrats on this stamp Richard.

Sorsh, THANK YOU very much for that information! That is super exciting!javascript:insertsmilie('')

I saw it in the Facit catalog, but I figured it was a printing error, or that this was not the flaw that Facit was talking about. I actually bought this from a dealer at a local stamp show for the price of a common, used 20ø stamp.

This is why I like collecting non-U.S. stamps here in the U.S. The dealers here use Scott catalog values, mostly, and don't bother identifying specialized aspects of the non-U.S. material. Most non-U.S. stamps can be bought here for 20-50% of SCOTT catalog, sometimes even less.

I actually even have a second copy of that middle flaw, but it's the other perforation variety. Both bought very cheap.

On to the Tofdata.
I tried using the same method as the bi-colors, to look some of these up, but I noticed nothing that looked like OF or RF, so I figured there was some different terms that I needed to learn.

A question - What does "galvano" refer to? I tried using google translator and it just says "galvano" in English as well.

I got your email and will send a reply tonight, when I am off work. This is one problem of living on opposite ends of the world. While I am typing, you are probably sleeping. LOL.

Yes, but it is only a half day or day until either reads what the other sent via email. Your grandfathers would be waiting quite a bit longer.

Been kind of preoccupied lately, but here is something I find interesting. Denmark 20ø with a Swedish (Helsingborg) cancel. Do these show up very often?

yes this is a fascinating area I think, and quite a few collect stamps cancelled in neighbouring countries. naturally alot of mail has been passed between denmark and sweden. and in this era, you could post mail onboard the ships using either danish or swedish stamps and the ship would have cancels. "fra sverige" (from sweden) "fra danmark" (from demmark)

i will post a picture of these later on.

this cancel however is a town cancel from when the mail was emptied from a ship in the habour, the cover would have a line/ship cancel from denmark and the actual stamp would be cancelled in Helsingborg.
OR the cover has simply been overlooked in denmark and thus didn't get a cancellation at departure. and would get one when it arrived before being brought out.

the rate to sweden in this period was 10øre for letters at 0-15gram and 20øre for letters with 16-125gram. and then 16øre ontop for either registered or express.

so likely to have been a 2. weightclass letter with a single 20øre on it.

there's also railway cancels which are more common.

and of course there's also cancellations from many other countries on danish stamps - i'll post some pics of those too

Bergen and Christiania (Norway)



Hamburg (germany)



Trangisvaag and Thorshavn (Faroe island)




shipcancel (from denmark/frän danmark)
not too apparent, would be best to find a cover with it... one has blue ink, it's the only one i've ever seen with blue ink!

Sorsh - Thank you for opening my eyes a little bit more.

The only reason I knew mine a was a Swedish cancel, was because I recognized the dotted outer circle, then I recognized the name.

The ones you show from Hamburg, Christiana and the others, all have very similar looking circular, cancel devices to what was being use in Denmark. It might pay me to go back through mine and see if I have others. Some of these I probably would have passed up if I had seen them, especially if I hadn't read the city.

I do have a couple of those Denmark ship cancels you show, which I separated out because they were different and I didn't know what they were at the time. Now I do.

I found this in a batch of 8ø stamps. To the naked eye I thought the oval flaw was actually a damaged stamp, with a paper scuff. Upon closer examination, I saw it was a pretty severe oval flaw, so I decided to try and plate it.

Here is what I got:
RM 4V
print 54
pos B45
OF 7.1

Is this correct?



I just googled the town (Faxe) in the cancel. Looks like a pretty small town (pop 3950) on the island of Zealand in Eastern Denmark.

it always pays to have 2 different looks... I scan pages with 1 goal, first I may look for good prints and I don't pay attention to anything else, then I look over them again with a goal to identify good cancels.. always look with one goal or you miss out on things as your mind gets confused.

yes the 8øre is correct.. you might also notice that this too is a reappearance of an ovalflaw.

when you find 4øres from print 49-50 (inverted frames from maingroup 4) or 8øre from print 54-55 I would very much like to know if they have inverted watermark... I try and collect a plate with only inverted watermarks :) and if I can't buy it off you I would at least like a good scan :)
i keep a database of all inverted watermarks of these prints to make statistics on how many sheets approximately was inverted watermark... just for fun :)

Sorsh, I have been able to successfully (I think) plate 3 8ø stamps so far, that are from prints 54-55, but none have an inverted wmk. They are - 54/B4, 54/B45 and 55/B81.

I also found one 8ø WITH an inverted wmk, but I am not able to plate it, and I just noticed it is a normal frame from maingroup 5.

Dear Sorsh,

I would appreciate it if you could tell if I am right or wrong in my identifaction of the following classic stamps of Denmark by Facit numbers (including major shades and varieties). I am not a specialist enough to be interested in plating but I'd like to know where I stand in basic identification.

I will start at the beginning.