Danish Classics, Show Them To Me.

@richard

it's a big problem that there's so many repairs and scams being made, it's an even bigger problem because people don't care enough... or they simply don't know what to look for.

the knowledge the average collector has is simply too poor.

2 days ago a friend was here... buying all my 20øre bicoloured since I don't work with those, I always just place them in an album when I get some in mixed lots.

i had amassed 318 stamps and he paid about $800 for those, a fair price for a good friend who needs the material... amongst those stamps he found one that looked funny.

it had the entire top row of perfs replaced, a piece of paper glued on the back and new perfs made... and I hadn't noticed it :) of course that's because I don't care about 20øres otherwise I always check for thins and inverted watermarks.

it was even poorly made and the stamp found it's way to the trashbin

Sorsh,

Thank you very much for your comments, I will make corrections accordingly, even if I don't always understand, why I was in error — I guess one needs much more experience going through hundreds of these stamps.

Thank you again, and I will continue posting ovals soon.

the skilling issues are quite a handful. some prints look a little alike and you'll have to know about maingroups and the expression on the oval and frame, colors shift, but the expression remains.
like 6th print - the worn frame as pretty much the only one with that expression.

Denmark Facit 22.
I think these are 22 a, b (watermark inverted), c, d,, f (two shades) and g.
I am prepared to take the next lesson...

IMO, Facit 23b (two examples) and 23c.

Facit 24a and 27.

Denmark Facit 28 a, c, d, e (two examples), f, g.

4skilling is something even Lasse Nielsen is reluctant to put a print on unless he can plate the stamp.
they are very difficult, of course some prints stand out alot, but I won't put prints on these as I have never done anything on 4skilling, a good friend of mine has made it his life, so he gets all I come across.

8skilling
first picture = print 2 as you said, position A73 (almost impossible to determine with pictures of this quality, but definately 3rd row perforation and a frame type 2A and only position 23 and 73 fit that)

second picture = print 2 or 3, my bet is 3 eventhough it doesnt have a frametype 2s which more than 1/3 has.. the yellowish brown oval tips me to print 3.

third picture = print 3 or 4.. provide me with a better picture and I can decide. (print 4 is rather overpriced in the catalogue, small numbers were made, but close to the time we switched to ØRE so quite common to find unused.
the frame itself varies alot from shades of grey (not 50) to almost light green... the light green ones are very rare, and very beautiful.

16skilling is easy to tell apart, but I can't tell from the picture, but my best bet is print 2 though.
48skilling is a nice copy, to get them with towncancels instead of number cancels aren't that common, had it been 1 clean cancel it could have fetced around $150.
the oval colour is clean and well preserved, which is also not that common to find, perforation is most often quite horrible (these too are subject to reperforation/repairs)

yours is genuine and above average perforation - you can be pleased with that copy.

3øre and now facit turns to utter crap, they pile prints together 28h is print 9 to 12 you can't do that, they're not at all alike. the same goes for print 8 and 13, these aren't even the same frametype.

pic 1 = 28a print 1 position 7 - nice frame dent in the bottom.
pic 2 = 28c
pic 3 = 28h my guess is print 10 (but you need to have quite a few as some have new ovals and some don't.
pic 4 = 28i print 13
pic 5 = 28h I think print 10 as well. (new ovals)
pic 6 = 28f print 6
pic 7 = 28g print 7

so you had a couple right :)

print 7 is most common from the ultramarine, and quite often more grey than blue.. usually the letters postfrim are worn out and has spotty oval bands.

print 1 is somewhat rare, almost always poor perforation (KI) and almost always off center... the lower left perf appears to be missing on your stamp... but NO, it really isn't.. perforation machine 7th row almost always lack that perf.

from here on, bicoloured becomes much more exciting, inverted frames, reused frames, reused ovals, frame types, loads of frame/ovalflaws, strange cancellations and so on.

look forward to seeing what you have... maybe you're as lucky as Richard who had a stamp valued at 14000 SEK :)

I'll try to post better pictures of 8 and 16 sk:

pic 1 = print 2 pos 73
pic 2 = print 3
pic 3 = print 3

better picture.. definately a print 1 16skilling... can't position it though.

I also have an additional question about this stamp:





You say it is Facit 28h, probably print 10.
But is has a very thick normal frame.

Could it be something else, or such a thick frame is nothing special for 28h?

Let's get to 4 øre, Facit 29.
I think the following are Facit 29 b, c, d, h1, h2, h+i pair (?), i.

5 øre. Facit 30.
I think these are Facit 30 a, b, c (two examples).

Great thread here, thank you Sorsh and tvorog for all that
information and clear scans.
Even though I only collect modern Denmark I enjoy
reading all the posts.

We need more of this kind of research here and it's
very refreshing compared to the usual posts lately
on SCF.

Thanks again guys.

the 3øre isn't a thick frame, it's from maingroup 5, so it can't be anything else but print 9 to 12... the background in the oval has vertical lines.. these are very thin and fine, suggesting a new oval.
print 9 has worn ovals, and new ovals were inserted in print 10.. so this is print 10...

compare the corner "feathers" with your print 3... thick frames will always be pointy and sharp, where as maingroup 5 looks like little clubs.