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Posted 01/21/2017   1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rob Roy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
1) These two seem East China stamps, but I couldn't verify it by online catalogs.





2)This stamp uses cents, has Kangi writing on top and maybe katakana (Japanese) writing on the botom, again, couldn't find it in online catalog.



Any guess will be wellcomed.
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Posted 01/21/2017   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not a guess, but the third one looks like a Japanese Occupation stamp. From WWII.


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Posted 01/21/2017   1:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter is correct about the 3rd stamp.

1) Republic of China, Scott #916(1949), revenue stamp surcharged for postal use

2) People's Republic of China, local Shanghai overprint, revenue stamp surcharged for postal use, I do not see it listed in either Scott nor Yang (it's probably in Yang somewhere, though)
[EDIT: the surcharge may not be postal, but still revenue -- maybe that's why I can't find it in the postage stamp catalogs?)

3) Netherlands Indies, Japanese occupation, Scott #N7(1943)
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Edited by khj - 01/21/2017 1:54 pm
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Thanks, Peter. I thought so too, but (a) Japan usualy overprinted local stamps, and (b) they avoided latin letters until their defeat, so that "10 cent" writing got me confused.
I know they issued stamps in greater occupied China.
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Posted 01/21/2017   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These were for use in Southeast asia, not for china as far as I can tell. Hence the western letters.


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On the 3rd stamp, the 3 characters in the white tablet at bottom indicated the occupied territory. However, the designs were not common design, like the older British/French colony stamps. Other Japanese occupied lands that issued non-overprinted stamps in this manner include Burma, Philippines...

Manchukuo stamps usually have the Imperial orchid crest.
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Posted 01/21/2017   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 2nd stamp may not have been surcharged for postal use. It may have still remained a revenue stamp. If someone sees it in a postage stamp catalog, please post the catalog/number. I have edited my original post to indicate possible revenue surcharge.
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Thanks khj
Indeed, the 3rd is from the occupation of Java.
As for the two Chinese, are they main P.R.China or east China?
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The first one is idetified as "China Revenue:Customs Duty" by I.B. red guy's web site.
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Posted 01/21/2017   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Top stamp is Republic of China, not PR China. The stamp was originally a revenue stamp, but the stamp is valid for postal use with the surcharge.

Since the 2nd stamp is Shanghai overprint, it would fall under the category of East China. However, I didn't see it in the East China section of the Yang catalog. So I suspect that the surcharge might have still been for revenue usage and not postal usage. I will leave it to others to confirm or correct.
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"Stampworld" is showing a very similar stamp to the first one, 5.00 over 500, and attributes it to east China, May 1949. If it helps.
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Posted 01/21/2017   3:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately for these types of overprint/surcharges, you cannot go by "similar" stamp, because the currency type and the overprint determine who issued and for what purpose. As stated before, the top stamp is a $3 on $50 surcharge for postal use by the Republic of China. In the Scott catalog, China #916(1949).

Given the time period during the Civil War, it was likely used primarily in East China. However, as far as I know it was a national issue, which is why it is not listed in the catalogs under regional issues. It should not be identified as East China.

There are "similar" overprints that are East China, but your stamp is NOT one of them.

The 2nd stamp is People's Republic of China.

The 3rd stamp is Japanese occupation stamp of Netherlands Indies.
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Posted 01/23/2017   11:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The second stamp is denominated in RMB, so probably dates from 1955 or later.

Most likely a revenue stamp, and restricted to Shanghai Municipality, as indicated in the overprint. At that late date, quite unlikely to be for postal use.
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Posted 01/24/2017   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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At that late date, quite unlikely to be for postal use.

Excellent point. Hadn't even thought about that.
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Posted 01/31/2017   01:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TangStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
2nd stamp is NOT a postal stamp. Most likely a revenue stamp.
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