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What Was The Taxable Transaction On This Bond Coupon?

 
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Posted 01/29/2017   11:23 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Great aesthetics, but I've never seen revenue stamps affixed to individual bond coupons before. Redemption as part of the estate settlement? I've tried to find similar examples online, but to no avail.

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Posted 01/29/2017   1:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since it is marked by the estate, it would appear that the original person to receive the money died so the money went to the heirs. That transfer is probably the reason for the tax. I have the 1898 laws put away someplace, I will try to look it up later. Nice item.
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Posted 01/29/2017   1:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does paying the order to someone else essentially turn this into a check, and thus taxable as a check?
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Posted 01/29/2017   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bart on the interpretation. It is functioning like a check, thus the 2¢ tax. Although I have never seen an examples taxed thusly in the Civil War era, every time there was an endorsement to transfer the funds to a different payee, the instrument was subject to an additional 2¢. In the field of revenue stamped paper, certified checks were often passed on to multiple payees with another endorsement. But I have never seen the additional 2¢ added to the checks.
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Posted 01/29/2017   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is this the answer?: http://1898revenues.blogspot.com/20...tleship.html

"The documentary 2 cent stamp was largely used to pay the 2ct tax on bank checks, and the majority of used 2ct documentaries were used this way." It appears the bond coupon payment equated to a tax on that bond payment.
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Since it is payable on a date certain, it looks like a promissory note to me.
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The coupon itself is not taxable, because the bond itself was taxed. The phrase "Pay to the order of" converts this to a sight draft and subject to 2¢ tax.
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I agree that on it's face it looks like a promissory note/sight draft, but if the boilerplate language on the coupon results in a taxable transaction, why don't we see more of them with revenue stamps affixed?

Normally I am hyper-wary of the hyperbole on items in Aldrich auctions, but in this case I cannot recall seeing anything similar.
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Posted 01/29/2017   5:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Because most coupons were clipped by the person who owned the bond, so there was no tax on the coupon. The original owner's death changed that equation in this case.
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The initials on the stamp itself may be of George H. Fr(?) the executor (?) of the estate of James B. Crosby. can anyone think why the estate would be paying the interest back to the maker of the bond, C. H. W. Beyer (& Co.)?

As to the wording on the coupon making some of us think of this as a promissory note, isn't that what a bond is? Money is borrowed, interest is specified when it will be paid and the bond eventually matures and the principal is due at that date.

I still believe that is being taxed as a sight draft.
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There's a document on the 1898 Revenues site that is strikingly similar, and it's referred to as a promissory note with a 2-cent battleship documentary used "to pay the promissory tax."

http://1898revenues.blogspot.com/se...sory%20Notes
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Posted 01/29/2017   5:07 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I am a bit puzzled by the different initials on the stamp itself, but one could argue that this is someone in the bank, who is adding the stamp because of his understanding of the law (and charging the estate).


Aren't the initials those of the signatory on the front? G M M or G Mc M ?
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Can anyone think why the estate would be paying the interest back to the maker of the bond, C. H. W. Beyer (& Co.)?


My guess would be that the "real estate mortgage bond" was more like a mortgage and represented a loan to the estate, with the estate, through the executor, promising to pay the interest by the specified date.
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