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Israel
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Posted 02/06/2017   10:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rob Roy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello
I have these 3 stamps, and I'd like to know:
1) The upper one is red cross stamp from DDR.
How was it used? I see no values.
2) In the middle it's a Thurn and Taxis stamp.
Is this a normal stamp, trimmed by the post office, or is it a damaged stamp that was cut by a collector or trader?
3) At the bottom, it looks Gothic writing, but no country or values. What is this?
Thank you

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Canada
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Posted 02/06/2017   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The item in the centre is from the German State of Thurn and Taxis, Northern district. There are a number of issues of this stamp between 1852 and 1866. Difficult to tell which yours is because the left and right sides have been cut off, especially the left. The stamp should be square in shape, yours ain't.

The top item looks like a Red Cross label, but without a better picture, impossible to say from where.

The bottom is Israeli, but whether a postal tab, cinderella or a revenue stamp, I couldn't say.

**sorry should have read your post more closely, you knew some of this already!
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Edited by jamesw - 02/06/2017 11:37 pm
Pillar Of The Community
Israel
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Posted 02/07/2017   12:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help.
So the Thurn&Taxis is a damaged stamp. ok
How did you know that the one at the bottom is from Israel? The first letter seemed to me very much a Gothic D.
As for the DDR stamp, here are better scans of both it's sides.





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Edited by Rob Roy - 02/07/2017 12:56 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
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Posted 02/07/2017   08:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
RobRoy, that is clearly a Red Cross label. You got one for a 0.25 contribution to them!


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Israel
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Posted 02/07/2017   10:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. Now I have better understanding how it worked.

All is left is the last stamp-like, wether it's Gothic or Hebrew.
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United States
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Posted 02/07/2017   2:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The bottom label has the appearance of some association of ethnic Germans (the Gothic "D") from somewhere in Europe. I'm guessing that this is the case because I've seen a lot of similar labels, but not this one.

The DDR label seeks a contribution for a state, or state-sponsored organization (DRK=German Red Cross). It commemorates a communist health service which began in 1890 and ended in 1933.
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Edited by bookbndrbob - 02/07/2017 2:59 pm
Pillar Of The Community
Israel
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Posted 02/07/2017   4:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bob. At which country did you see similar labels, and how were they similar?
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Posted 02/07/2017   4:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rob Roy, can you post maybe a better scan like you did for the DDR Red Cross label?


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Australia
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Posted 02/07/2017   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The bottom label has the appearance of some association of ethnic Germans (the Gothic "D") from somewhere in Europe.


The design also has echoes of the Brunswick Star.

The Brunswick star is an emblem which in outline is an eight-pointed or sixteen-pointed star, but which is composed of many narrow rays. It is used in Great Britain to surround the Royal Cypher on various badges, such as that worn on the caps and helmets of almost all police and fire services in England and Wales. The name Brunswick refers to the German Duchy of Brunswick-Lüneburg, better known as principality of Hanover, which was ruled by the House of Hanover whose heads also became kings of Great Britain.

A better scan would have been more appropriate
there appears to be text at the top of the label.
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Edited by rod222 - 02/07/2017 4:36 pm
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Israel
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Posted 02/07/2017   4:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hope this helps.
Anyhow, it seems less likely it's from Israel: The letters aren't Hebrew or Rashi, and the star isn't 6 pointed.

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United States
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Posted 02/07/2017   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are few stamps with some characteristics of the DNJ cinderella. The 1937 Danzig stamp bears the logo of the Air Defense League (DLB), and is nazified. The center cinderella is Austrian with a DAP (German Workers' Party) logo. The cinderella on the right depicts Albrecht Duerer, and is also Austrian. It bears the letters B.d.D.i.B. (Society of Germans in Bohemia).

Lastly, the blue cinderella bears the letters V.D.U. (Society of Germans in Hungary).

I think the Austrian Cinderellas date from 1900-20. The last one, I am guessing, is 1920's-30's.

I know there are others in glassines and stockbooks, but I can't put my hands on them right now.





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Edited by bookbndrbob - 02/07/2017 7:18 pm
Bedrock Of The Community
Australia
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Posted 02/07/2017   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.


Quote:
and the star isn't 6 pointed.



Quote:
The Brunswick star is an emblem which in outline is an eight-pointed


Has a look of genuineness about it (possibly a stamp "tab")

Nice work bookbndrbob.

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United Kingdom
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Posted 02/07/2017   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect this is from the Deutschnationaler Jugendbund (DNJ), a German conservative youth movement which was active in the years 1919 to 1924 and then changed its name to Großdeutscher Jugendbund.
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Edited by nigelc - 02/07/2017 8:11 pm
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Posted 02/07/2017   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

You are a wizard, Nigel.

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Israel
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Posted 02/08/2017   04:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks alot.
I gather this stamp stood by itself and wasn't a tab.
Digging further in the internet I found a site that identified it as "DNJ - Deutsche National Jugendbund - Early Jugendbund der NSDAP-sub organization".
I wonder why the symbol apeared only on Danzig stamp and not any regular German stamp.
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United States
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Posted 02/08/2017   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the logo does appear on a set of 3 German stamps issued about 3 weeks prior to the Danzig set. It is just that the complete design is not pictured, and it is not straightforward. They are Michel #s 643-5.


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