Luxembourg Covers And Tpo - Show - Tell - Ask - Explain!

I did not find any thread on Luxembourg covers, so here we go

I picked up this item the other day:


TPO / Ambulant cancel 'Schimpach-Kautenbach F.C.", 17th June 1916. I believe the 'S' indicates soir (evening).

However - I am curious about these two cancels / cachets:
- The small circle postmark '150'
- "Auslandstelle Trier Freigegeben".

The last one make me think it has something to do with crossing borders / censorship, keeping in mind this was mailed during WW1. Can anyone verify - or even better correct and clarify?

If so, the letter must have passed through border control at Trier, German town, close to the border with Luxembourg, and then passed on to the destination in Brussels. However Schimpach and Kautenbach is in the North of Luxembourg, so I don't make sense of the route this travelled



Possible route (blue dots) ?? Borders in red

Unfortunately the letter is incomplete, so I am unable to see where it was mailed from. Possibly it could have originated from Germany (there is also another Kautenbach in Germany which would place Trier almost midway between Kautenbach and Schimpach), through Lier into Luxembourg. Them travelling TPO on Kautenbach to Wiltz, connecting with Belgian railway system...


Any viewpoint would be highly appreciated, I have never before attempted to track the route of any TPO mail before. And I did not find any sensible on google about the Schimpach-Kautenbach railway route. Could need some advise


Sidefact - Shimpach Railway station was shut down in 1967
https://translate.google.no/transla...pach-Wampach

Hi Here is a link that may help?..(Zensur Brief)
http://www.philaseiten.de/cgi-bin/i...6&da=1&F=389
There are some similar things down in their thread.
This is interesting too.
www.phil-dor-carta.de/zensur.htm
http://stamps.luxcentral.com/postma...ailroad.html
http://www.timbresmag.com/2015/07/0...anco-belges/
The little number in the circle is the mailmans number (facteur)

perf12 - Much appreciated, those links were helpful. At least it seems to verify that the 'Auslandstelle' cachet is indeed a censor mark as I suspected. Dusted, excellent.

Still the question remains why this letter (presumably posted somewhere along the 'Schimpach-Kautenbach' railway line in the NNW of Luxembourg) had to travel all the way trough Luxembourg - into Germany for censor - and then back towards NNW for Brussels. Seems more logical it should go by the train in the opposite route, directly towards the Belgian border at Wiltz, and pass into Belgium from there. Anyone?

And what is the small circle cancel '150'?

Its the mailmans number.I put another link (the last one)in the first reply about that..

Well it was censored by the germans we know that.If we look at the front lines ,everything above the red lins was occupied territory;so it was german.I don't think it had to go across too germany per say...IMO
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front..._1915-16.jpg
this card has Auslandstelle Trier Frelgegeben

perf12 - thank you so much for taking your time to help
I overlooked your notice about the mailman's number in your first reply...anyway - question dusted as well!
Then remains the peculiar travelling route. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that the letter was censored by the Germans - using the Trier cancel - but the letter did not necessarily ever go to Trier itself (?). I guess that could be a valid explanation, maybe the Trier 'border agency' activities had jurisdiction closer towards the Western front during those special circumstances of war. Interesting. I will keep that theory - at least until anyone else says otherwise.

So, now I have more background for my write-up for this TPO item - what a pleasure to be part of such a resourceful and helpful community

Here is another one posted from luxembourg Too Bemberg which is 10mi. east of Koln in Germany this time.

Very nice, perf12!

I just had to buy this prephilatelic cover



Postmarked 'Redange', 8th Nov 1850 - Destination Diekirck


Arrival postmark Diekirck on the same day, 8th Nov 1850.

I suppose that scribble indicate the due paid for postage - can anyone read it? (edit - asking about the manuscrift scribble on the front of the cover)

The postal services were rather efficient in those days, considering their more limited options for transport. (ok, the distance was only about 35 km, still there was no cars available, and the first railway opened in Luxembourg some 10 years later)

Collector marked "Redange 1850" ?
Don

Thanks Don,
I was not clear in my post - I was thinking about the scribble/manuscrift on the front of the cover. Could it be '10' ?

I have enjoyed the journey in your thread Blaamand.
Nice work.

Thanks Rod - that means a lot to me, particularily coming from Big-Rod-downunder

Anyone - please share with us if you have any interesting covers from Lux!

Hi; Interesting selection here for you..numerals in manuscript ect..
https://www.davidfeldman.com/wp-con...04/LuxPT.pdf
(port du marque 10 centimes)

Just a thought, but I have seen this kind of W mark often on prephilatelic covers. I believe it was generally so that the recipient had to pay for the postage. However the recipient could refuse to pay and would not get the cover. The cover would then be marked by what one could describe as a W. This happening often was one of the reasons to start with Stamps I believe. The sender would pay the postage and he was sure that the recipient recieved/read the letter. Kind regards, Johan.

perf12 - Wow, you are like a one-man stamp-knowledge-consultant-agency

The link offered good clues indeed. I made a comparison between 3 of the "port du marque 10 centimes" scripts from Feldman - and the one on my cover.


(My example is on the right side)
It seems the post office clerks used more or less the same time-saving sccrift technique - writing the 10 without lifting their pen - resulting in more or less identical looking "scribble". And it seems they did not necessarily take the time to close the top of the ¨0' precisely.

Johan - Thanks, what you are suggesting is very interesting - and I would find it more attractive with such a 'w' That would make it a even better postal history item in my mind. However it seems the guy that made that splendid Luxembourg collection at Feldman knew a little something about Luxembourg postal history - so I think I will categorize the scrift as he did.

edit: And let me add - if anyone believe the scrift on mine is actually is 'W' - then I will absolutely appreciate that. Would be more than happy to change my mind!