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Mexico - 1864 Stamp.

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Rest in Peace
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Posted 03/10/2017   4:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys...Is this a real stamp. cause it says ""UN REAL"" at bottom..haha

But that is the postage I think..Any more info on this stamp..In not bad condition.

Thanks, Robert




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Posted 03/10/2017   4:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, at risk of telling you what you probably already know, I think it is Scott #14, a portrait of Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla, , issued in 1864. Worth a lot more money if it had a district number on it. Condition is great.Possibly a remainder. Wish I had it.
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Posted 03/10/2017   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rdavid...Thanks for the info..
BTW, is a district number classified as an over print..?

Robert
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Posted 03/10/2017   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wert - Yes. Stamps that went into service for use at a particular district were overprinted with that district number.
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Posted 03/10/2017   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks smauggie

I have hundreds of WW stamps from the 1800's, but as you know I collect Canada and Canadians Provinces, so I dont know too much about WW stamps..Thanks for the help..Appreciate it.

Robert
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Posted 03/10/2017   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi; Hidalgo stamps are scarce too rare used. Link below:
http://www.rumseyauctions.com/aucti...hapter/36/51
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Posted 03/10/2017   4:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think you have a Type error on your hands..!
http://stampsho.com/mexico-1864-un-...ed-j-stamps/
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Posted 03/10/2017   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I almost envy you Robert, focused as you are in just one single area, and therein highly specialized.

I have to see what's out there, conquer unseen mountains of philatelic adventure.
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Posted 03/10/2017   4:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
WOW perf12...Your right..I do have one with the typo error..cool

Robert




smauggie...:)
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Edited by wert - 03/10/2017 4:55 pm
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Posted 03/10/2017   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Below forgery:


Link too forgeries...
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...o-1856-1864/
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Edited by perf12 - 03/10/2017 5:07 pm
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Posted 03/10/2017   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to dampen your enthusiasm, Guys.
I am afraid these stamps are 75c 2009.

MEJICO is the standard inscribe on stamps of this era.

The expensive stamps are the issues with a district overprint (which is barely readable on the auction examples)

Happy to stand corrected.

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Edited by rod222 - 03/10/2017 5:13 pm
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Posted 03/10/2017   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
perf12..Are you saying mine might be a forgery..?

Robert
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Posted 03/10/2017   5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Wert,

I'll gladly take any Mexico stamps off your hands since they don't fit your Canadian focus. Just go ahead and send them to me and save yourself the trouble with them cluttering up your workspace.

Oldguy
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Edited by oldguy - 03/10/2017 5:55 pm
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Posted 03/10/2017   5:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You said it oldguy, but I was thinking it.
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Posted 03/10/2017   6:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Robert, your 1 Reale looks genuine to me.

Mexico
Hidalgo Genuine v Forgery 4 Reales.

Forgery
Lighter shade of brown
"O" in CORREOS smaller in typeface
Others shown in arrows

Update: Genuine P12, Forgery P11½


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Edited by rod222 - 03/10/2017 7:01 pm
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Posted 03/10/2017   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rtvstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello friends!

Yes, is Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla, but the real name of these issues is know as "JUAREZ ISSUE".

All issues is with "J". Already exist two issues (1 know as not issued):

Some were used in July-August in Monterrey and Saltillo only (but, intended for general use when the printing was ordered)

* First printing: Issued in 1864 with perforation 12, original printing on thick, slightly toned wove paper. With District Name Monterrey or Saltillo.

* Second printing: on crisp white wove paper, delivered in 1868 and not Issued, perforation 12 without Name od District.

Stamps with 1/2 Surcharge with additional Saltillo Name are bogus. Fairly good engraved counterfeits are perforated 11 1/2.

Source: Nicholas Follansbee Catalogue.

Regards!
Rodolfo


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Edited by rtvstamps - 03/10/2017 9:18 pm
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