Double And Triple Transfers

A little off the subject of double/triple transfers but...I know there's knowledgeable folks here on the Old Blue Franklin issues. I was wondering if anyone can tell me anything about #7 Type II, Position 60R3? I believe it's also known as the "Discovery" Position, because it had part of imprint showing & didn't match any other plates, from that position. I believe it was discussed in Ashbrook Vol 1 pages 219-220(I don't have the book). Any input would be much appreciated!

jmt, here's a scan of the discussion of 60R3 in Ashbrook. A search of the Chronicle on the term "60R3" yielded no hits, but I don't have full confidence in this search engine.

Perfect, Thanks a bunch dudley! I was informed today a stamp I sent in for plating is actually another confirmed #7 Type II from position 60R3! My stamp was compared to that actual stamp (from scans sent by current owner)! I'll share when I receive the stamp back.

Txstamp started a thread few weeks back here on this forum to show plate 3 stamps. Not many stamps were posted because no one seems to have many of them! exception txstamp and Dudley...Would love to see the 60R3 pic when you get it. You may want to put it on that thread

jmt - That's exciting news. Plate 3 stamps are findable, but they aren't common. Especially when you are trying to reconstruct the plate, as I was doing once. Definitely post that stamp in the plate 3 thread - its in this subforum - you'll find it, just a bit back.

I have more plate 3 stamps that I plan to post there over time - I don't have much time to scan things, so I'll dribble out what little I have, slowly.

I was never able to get the discovery 60R3, although I always wanted it. I don't know who has it now. Much of the known plate 3 material in existence changed hands in the last 10 or so years, as many of the major holders of it sold their material (Wagshal, Vogel, txstamp, others). I did have the Ashbrook 1R3 with centerline shown in the Ashbrook 1c book, but not the Neinken book. I also had 40R, 50R, 41L and 61L all showing imprints, but I don't recall that I ever got a 60R, so you did well.

Since it was posted, I should point out to everyone that that vertical strip of three in the 1c book page 219 - figure 19H - is NOT plate 3. So that was another purported 60R3 in there, but it is plate 2. I haven't checked in awhile, but I think the imprint might line up a bit different on plate 2 and 3 -- at any rate, you can probably figure it out for yourself as an exercise.

txstamp, it's interesting that in Neinken's rewritten chapter on Plate 3 he leaves in the photo of the strip identified as 40-50-60R3, but removes all reference to the 60R3 discovery copy (including photo).

dudley - yes I agree. There is some poetic romance, if nothing else, in knowing what stamp was the Rosetta-stone, for plate 3. I don't know why he'd leave that out. I guess Neinken was an engineer of sorts, if I recall, and not a poet.

Ron Cipolla had the vertical strip with pen cancel - it was in his exhibit (now on the USPCS website). He pointed out to me once, that it wasn't plate 3. He has it correctly identified in his exhibit under plate 2.

Another double transfer. This strip is 64-65-66R1E. All #7's, Ty II.

65R1E is a very well known double transfer from plate 1-early. Don't adjust your monitor, the bottom center of the middle stamp is in fact, blurry. The bust and lower label all are just slightly doubled.

This cover is well-known for its early use - July 11 (dateline) of 1851, Philadelphia blue "drop" 1 cancel used as an obliterator, pre-printing paper fold breaking the paper on 65R, and of course, 65R1E itself.

Hubert Skinner wrote up this cover for the 1851 Sesquicentennial Book published by the Classics Society. Its a great book - if you don't have it, go get one!

Ex-Chase, West, Skinner

97L1L on a printed circular, showing pronounced DT in lower lettering and left-side ornaments.

92L2L - triple transfer, Scott #11A.

Back when I had a color chart, I matched this to 1852 Brownish Carmine.

Here's a bad pic of mine.

Love these pics but now the newbie in me comes out and I have to ask: are there certain stamps that are more prone to DT's or Triples? Or any era more prone (the opposite being, when year-wise would DT's and TT's cease being possible?
Hope this makes sense. I'd like to find a double or triple but I don't have anything close to a #7......
Thanks in advance for your patience with a newbie question!
Dave

The last double transfer that I can remember or am aware of was on Scott #2875. Hundreds of different shifts were created on the 1c and 3c stamp of 1851-61, mostly due to plate reentry. No other issues come close. There are also a number of remarkable DT's on revenue stamps and for some reason Scott #73 commonly sports some kind of mild to moderate DT.

Thanks!

I agree that the 1c and 3c stamps of 1851 and 1857 were hotbeds of incompetence. That said, Toppan Carpenter were really ramping up production during that time, to higher levels than had been seen previously, so I guess its quite understandable.

I've seen quite a few apparent double transfers on #68, the 10c green as well, if I recall correctly. One thing about some stamp issues from later on, particularly, the more expensive denominations and varieties, is that they haven't been quite as thoroughly collected and studied, so I'm sure there are still some lingering discoveries to be had.