Two Old Italian Stamps In Which Condition?

Geoff wrote: "In most cases, catalogues don't price stamps without gum......" One exception to that is Germany Scott #B68, the Ostropa souvenir sheet and its stamps. The gum contains sulphuric acid which will damage the sheet and stamps. So, they're priced for being without gum.

In addition, Scott notes that many of the early Portuguese colonial stamps; prior to about 1910; were issued without gum, presumably due to heat and humidity. Examples from Macau (Macao) include Scott #s 37-44, 45, 46-57, 58-66, some of 75-103, 110-118, etc. Unused copies are thus priced as being without gum.

hi; here is one on e-bay.it ;of coarse in perfect condition...
sellers pseudo:
lacasadelcollezionistadisyrio
and this one:
carlobonu

hello,

the first one has many without gums and the MNH seems not described correctly to me, so something strange
the second has a mint one for 1200 EUR which really looks nice.

as there are so many unused withour gum (400 EUR), I guess the wrinkling is common for these stamps and the people liked to soak it. I think I won't though.

IMO I would not soak it.It's the way it is.You could try ironing the stamp layed down on glass by giving it a steam bath just enough to soften the paper.Has too be done very quickly. (Just an Idea)!
Here is a strange listing..

The back of the above stamp.The qum seems very thin and very flat?