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Posted 04/22/2017   10:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add GeneGraham to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
OK, new to forum and just bought Scott National album pages on ebay at a good price...Parts 1 - 6 (to 2009) and Supplements through 2016. So, the whole thing. I note that when the entire album set is sold with binders, it comes with four 3-inch 3-ring binders (or four large 2-post binders). The binders are advertised to have a 250-page capacity, so four binders would just about cover the six sections...without stamps or mounts.

My (probably stupid) question for you Scott National owners is, how do you go about organizing your album? Do you cram it all into four binders by splitting up sections, or do you get additional binders, do you split off the BOB sections into a single BOB binder...? I know there are a lot of ways to do this, but I'm interested in hearing what your approaches and experiences are.

Thanks!
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Posted 04/23/2017   12:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I absolutely hate the large Scott 3-ring binders, so you're not going to get an unbiased opinion from me. The 2-post binders are the more classic choice, and I think they look much better, but they have the disadvantage that the pages bend somewhat (maybe "curve" is a better word) when the album is open. This apparently puts off a lot of collectors and may have been the main factor that led to the 3-ring option which Scott began producing some years ago.

The solution to the bend/curve problem with the 2-post binders was always there, but just not used by many collectors -- don't put so many pages into the 2-post binders (never fill them up) and be sure you use page "spacers" which are made out of cardboard. These spread out the pages more. Fewer pages helps prevent an enormous curve in the pages as you flip through the album. It works, believe me. The spacers hold everything nice and snug, and it all looks just fine. It is a pain to add and remove pages, however, with the posts and rods which must be pulled out, etc. This is a big advantage to the ring binders where you just snap them open to add or remove a page.

Pages in the 2-post binders are held snugly and don't move back and forth on the posts. So the holes don't wear as fast as they do in the 3-ring binders where holes can wear much faster. After all, you slide the page up and down the ring every time you turn the page. It has to wear.

Or you could (at one time) use smaller sized 2-post binders which accomplishes the same thing. Or at least you could when they were available. Unfortunately, Scott discontinued the smaller sized 2-post binders around this time, perhaps to force collectors to move to the 3-ring binders. Or is my conspiracy theory showing? I don't know, but it was a sad day in Stamp Land when they went to only the one larger 2-post binder, in my opinion, as I liked the smaller ones as easier to handle, less bulky, and so on.

Fortunately, Scott also produces a smaller (meaning not as thick) 3-ring binder that I find much more appealing for a number of reasons. To put it simply, it's much less bulky than the larger 3-ring binder. In the smaller binder, the space between right-hand and left-hand pages is not occupied by an enormous distance filled with giant metal rings. It's narrower and the rings are much smaller and less obtrusive. If I were starting my collections over again (God forbid) I would seriously consider putting all pages into the smaller 3-ring binders.

Of course, due to their smaller size, it would require twice as many binders, but the overall look along with the ease of removing and inserting pages makes it worth it. Larger binders can hold *maybe* 200 pages give or take while the smaller ones hold *100* pages at most. Also, both size 3-ring binders sell for the same price. The 2-post binder costs even more. I have no idea why this is.

Don't forget your stamps take up a lot of space, too, so don't overcram them. You want room (hence using spacers for the 2-post version). There are no equivalent spacers for the 3-ring binders, so pages just sort of flop around on the three rings (one reason I don't like the larger 3-ring size -- too much wear on the holes).

Okay, so that's my history of the modern Scott binder, and whatever options still exist. You may not care because you, presumably, already have your binders. They're probably the large 3-ring size, so you'll do the best you can with these ungainly things. I'm joking a little, and they're fine even if somewhat enormously bulky, etc.

As for page arrangement, do whatever you want. It is entirely your collection. Always remember that. Most people follow the (rather silly) Scott catalogue arrangement. Unlike nearly every other major stamp catalogue in the world, Scott chooses to list Semi-postals, airmails (and so on) separately after other stamps. To me, this makes no sense, but there you have it. Normally, then, you'd arrange your pages by time period in each binder with airmails, etc. toward the end.

I think this is weird since it means that after you've looked at stamps from an era and gone on to modern stamps, you then get to look at stamps from the earlier era again, stamps often done in much the same style, except they're "segregated" later in your album because they're airmails or whatever.

I don't do that (as you probably guessed) since I prefer all stamps issued in the 1920s, for example, to be together. So I put 1920s airmails with other 1920s stamps (and so on through the years). This is the way it's done in Europe and most other countries, combining all stamps issued in each year or decade or era together. Each to their own, though.

It doesn't always work as Scott often puts airmails (and other stamps) from different years on the same page, assuming everyone will simply combine all such pages together in one section. My solution is to put pages in my album at the location of the later stamps. If you follow Scott, however, you'd just put all such pages at the end of each binder. And when you're mounting stamps, you do have to look a little harder for the airmail and semi-postal pages in the right years.

Leave space for the stamps you're going to mount and don't cram in too many pages in each binder! Have fun.
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Posted 04/23/2017   09:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dkabq8 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I divide my National pages between definatives, commemoratives, and BoB. Works for me -- YMMV.
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Posted 04/23/2017   11:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gene, like Drew I favor the 2-post binder, but to answer your question I would get as many extra binders as needed to avoid overfilling. When I had a general US collection in National binders I kept BOB in its own binder.
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Posted 04/23/2017   12:22 pm  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Stamps1962 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Drew, I share your version to the Scott 3 ring binders. I find them ugly and clunky. I have had to return several of the things to Amos because of defective ring mechanisms so I think they were cheaply made. They have the new version with a 'piano hinge' now that is supposed to be more sturdy. Haven't tried that as yet.

I posted on here a couple years back asking if anyone knew of any alternative binders that would fit the Scott pages and perhaps be more attractive. I don't think I got much response. I'd still like to know of any.
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Posted 04/23/2017   12:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add uboatnut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love the latest 3 ring Scott binders (with their matched slip cases). Almost all of mine have the metal piano hinge, which I find far superior to the old fabric hinge found in both the 2 post and original 3 ring binders. I long ago replaced all of my Scott 2 post binders due to both the page curving issue and the irritating need to unscrew the posts and essentially disassemble the album in order to add or remove pages. YMMV.

I also use the cardboard Scott Filler Strips (product ACC 105 24/package), adding one every 10th page.

Don't over-crowd your binder. You'll be much happier and your stamps safer. Pop for the extra binder.

also pop for the slipcases. They really protect your pages and make it much easier to store and move the binders. Yes, they're rediculously expensive, but used ones can often be found far cheaper at local stamp stores.

I also have two of the smaller Scott binders (and slip cases) that I use for specialized collections too small to require the larger binder.

With a few exceptions, my collection stops with the last gummed issue in 2002. I have 4 albums; Vol 1 covers 1847 - 1962; Vol 2 is 1963 - 1988; Vol 3 is 1989 - 2002; Vol 4 is all the Back of Book issues.

I do not separate definitives and commemoratives, mostly because Scott does not do so in their page design. My plate blocks are separated in their own series of Scott binders.
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Posted 04/25/2017   08:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paulyann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I use the Scott National with 5 three-ring binders and slip cases. Works well for me. I place the BOB in the last volume.
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Posted 04/25/2017   09:26 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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If you use a four-hole punch on Scott pages, they will fit a Lighthouse Grande binder as sold in Europe.

http://www.nordfrim.com/ringbinder-...tturm/317159

The Grande Gigant has higher capacity, but will be heavy when full

http://www.nordfrim.com/ringbinder-...-blue/301901

I imagine that Lighthouse will also offer a three-hole version of the Grande for the US market, but the individual price may well be higher than Nordfrim's.

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I like the looks of the Grande classis, and love the price. Plus the four rings. I am preparing to mount a postal history collection. Began it in 1993, all stored in boxes, time to mount them. The covers will be mounted on pages (65#) generated by the PMGSAPG and inserted in top loading page protectors. This will make my pages heavy, and would have let the pages sag if I had to use three ring binders.
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Posted 04/25/2017   11:29 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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This is the Grande - as you can see, it's a fair size. The Scott page is a little wider than the standard Grande page, but stops just short of the edge, and will be protected by the slipcase.

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Posted 09/18/2017   11:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add soccerfan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I use an international junior postage album for single stamps up to 1940 and several two ring binders for duplicate stamps and stamps 1940 to present. I took DrewM's advice and bought another two ring binder at a stamp show this past weekend; the added space and the cardboard ideas work great!
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Always used ring protectors on the pages of my ring albums. Usually Schaubek albums. Worked find for me.
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Posted 09/21/2017   12:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have both the Lighthouse Grande and the other binder, the Grande Gigant. The Scott page GeoffHa shows in the larger of these binders (I think) has two rectangular holes, but besides the two rectangular holes, all current Scott pages also have three round holes for three-ring binders if you prefer to use them instead. I mention that because if you plan to punch even more holes -- four or more -- you're going to end up with a lot of unused holes along the left hand margin. Worth thinking about if you care about that.

To address the (rare) question of what binders will hold Scott Specialty pages besides Scott binders:

LH GRANDE
This sells in the U.S. with three-rings (the U.S. standard), not the four-ring version used in Europe. The rings are round, and if I recall correctly, they are mounted on the inside of the back cover, not the spine. An advantage of this is you wouldn't need to import a special four-hole paper punch to put your Scott pages in this binder.

LH GRANDE GIGANT/GIANT
The other binder, the larger "Gigant" or Giant is (no surprise) even bigger. In the U.S. it also has three rings like the other binder. But - and this is the problem I have with it -- these rings are rectangular rings and very tall. Turning pages is really a chore. You lift the page up one straight side of the ring, then over the top, then down the other long straight side. It's a bit bizarre. I think it's designed for static "storage" of pages filled with photos, stock pages of stamps, and other things, more than as a stamp album where you might be turning pages all the time.

And its large size makes the binder heavy, especially when filled with pages.

It will fit Scott Speciality sized pages, but just does not seem right to me. The pages almost seem lost in this binder -- and the huge square rings don't appeal to me.

The first binder, the Grande, fits Scott Specialty pages better -- but the right side of the pages end up very close to the edge of the binder. That's because the rings are not mounted to the center spine, but inside the back cover. This moves the pages to the right. It's designed for regular sized (8.5 x 11" or so) pages. In my opinion, Scott pages in this binder just do not look right. But it's workable. And there is a slipcase provided with it.

The binders do look pretty fancy with their padding and the ribbing on the spine. If that matters to you. I find it to be overkill. I guess I like plain and simple better than "fancy". They come with nice slipcases. Scott charges another $30 to add a slipcase to all of their binders. They're maybe $40 for binder and slipcase.

I have a different solution. Dauwalder's Stamp Shop (Salisbury, UK) has a website on which they sell their own 22-ring binders with slipcase. It's not very expensive (maybe $25). And it will fit Scott Specialty pages -- pretty well. BUT there's a catch. The pages will have to be punched for 22 holes. Punching Scott pages which already have holes does not bother me. You may disagree, but to me it's just more holes where holes already were. And all those rings obscure the many holes, in any case. Page holes are noticeable when you don't have rings for the holes, not when the holes do have rings for them.

To punch 22 holes, you would either need to find a 22-hole punch (not very common, but you can sometimes find them). Or you'd have to find a print shop that can punch your Scott pages with 22 holes. Buy a few pages designed to go with this binder to show the print shop.

Scott Specialty pages fit these binders about 98% perfectly with a tiny bit rubbing against the thumb-levers at the top and bottom of the rings. I don't find this a problem, but you might not like it. You could have your print shop slice off 1/8" of an inch from your pages to make them perfect, I suppose. But it isn't really necessary.

These 22-ring binders (Dauwalder's calls them "Multi-Ring") are really very nice. That Scott Specialty pages fit into them was certainly not their plan, I'm sure. They were designed as copies of Stanley Gibbons' more expensive 22 ring binders. Those might also accommodate Scott Specialty pages. I've never tried.

Dauwalder's binder comes with a nice slipcase. It will hold "maybe" 100 pages on a good day, about the same as the smaller Scott 3-ring binder (which also holds Scott Specialty pages, of course!). But with Scott, the slipcase for another $30. Shipping will cost more with the Dauwalder's binders, of course.

Closer to home, Scott also sells a "mint sheet" three-ring binder. I haven't tried it, but because it's bigger than a standard U.S. three-ring binder, it might hold the slightly larger Scott Specialty pages. And no hole punching is needed! I may buy one and try it out, but I have no idea if Scott pages will fit this binder. And I don't think there's a slipcase which is disappointing.

Or just buy the smaller (or larger) Scott 3-ring binder to hold Scott pages. More expensive, though. Plus the slipcase, of course. For binder and slipcase, it will set you back about $65.
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