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Interesting R71c ($1 Life Insurance) With Right Frame Line Doubled

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Posted 05/07/2017   11:42 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I pulled this from an APS circuit book. It's interesting to me, not only because of the doubled right frame line and the Ames Plow Co. cancel, but also if you look closely, there is faint doubling and/or recutting across the top as well.

I only have one other example of the doubled right frameline, which is unfortunately centered such that the top is somewhat cut off by the perfs, so I'm not sure whether this doubling along the top appears on all right frame line doubled positions.

Anyone?

Picture below is 1600dpi, so you can click on it and see the top area up close.

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Posted 05/07/2017   12:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like an example of the work of the die transferer during the monthly margarita night.

Jim

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Posted 05/07/2017   1:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a slight "slip transfer" type of double transfer at the top. Interesting bit of damage to the left frameline. The stamp position was slightly out of alignment, so they added a line to fool the eye when looking at a sheet or large multiple. It made the work look neater.
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Posted 05/07/2017   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revenuecollector: How did you get such a big image file on here when there is a limit to its size in the upload area?
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Posted 05/07/2017   6:39 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't use the file upload feature. I house all images on my own web server. You can do the same by using a third-party image hosting service such as photobucket.
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Posted 05/07/2017   8:04 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it is a true doubled frameline if there is any such thing in the revenue world. The fact that the line passes directly through apparent guide/layout dots is too much to ignore. Both lines could be from the layout of the plate. You should show your other example. The top margin is pretty big and there is also some evidence of a dry print, both suggesting a margin copy which may be an important detail.
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Posted 05/07/2017   8:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are what the catalog lists as "double frame lines". Their purpose was as I explained above. Layout lines are never as strong as this is.
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Posted 05/07/2017   8:34 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't read your post. They added extra frame lines on several of the 1851-61 stamps for the same reason. I don't completely buy this being the same thing. How do you account for the layout dots?
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Posted 05/07/2017   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First issue revenues often have layout dots; remember these plates were produced under extreme time pressure because the Union needed the tax money desperately. Butler and Carpenter were not going to take the time to remove them or reenter positions that were a bit out of line.
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Posted 05/07/2017   10:31 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are not adequately explaining the layout dots that only seem to exist on this stamp and position but that's ok, just drop it. I think the other example that Dan has is probably the same plate position. I am also wondering if the inner line has been strengthened or recut?
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Posted 05/07/2017   10:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't understand the question. The layout dots here are no different in essence then those on any other first issue stamp.
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Posted 05/08/2017   08:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lackemacher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The double right frame line is position 46. The additional line at the top is a layout line. Many positions on this plate show a similar layout line above and sometimes just below the top frame line.
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Posted 05/08/2017   10:02 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I plate Toppan Carpenter stamps but not Butler Carpenter revenues. Position 46 lands in the middle of a sheet of 90? I am not sure about the general layout of the plate.
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Posted 05/08/2017   11:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lackemacher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sheet is 15x6 so 46 is left margin. I have a block of 4 (46/47,61/62) showing 46 laid down too far west and extra right line added to align with right frame line of 61.
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Posted 05/08/2017   5:59 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your replies. Do you think the actual frame line has been recut? What do you make of the layout dots that seem to clearly go along with these extra lines? I can't think of a good reason for them if all they were doing was filling in some empty space with extra lines.
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Posted 05/08/2017   6:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The dots at the top were specifically for that layout line. The its for the right side were also for a layout line, which might well have occupied the space later used for the extra line.
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