Earlier Turkish Identification

Sorry, no scan, just photo....which hopefully provides enough clarity. This doesn't fit the description of any in the Scott 1869 to 71 series of the crescent and star. The fact that I can't even decipher the denomination doesn't help, and the colored border area is what, a forgery? Minimal value I am sure, but to fill a space... Thanks.

Hi svensson: It's a postage due stamp.There are some specialists in the forum who can tell more.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...ps_of_Turkey

Aah, thanks monsieur Perf, I overlooked the Back of Book possibility.

Looks like black brown border, which means Turkey #J34(1871) in the Scott catalog.

These are still in the grey area for me, I don't have enough examples to discriminate, and the colours do vary.
Could also consider #J24 ?

May help to identify:
https://sariucak.com/stamps/ottoman...e-due-stamps

It is J34 with those ragged perfs .

Thanks Perf12

It's close, just a shade variance, and Scott advises J24 can go to red-brown.

Rod - that picture of yours is off. They are both J34.

J16-J25 are perf 13 1/2. (Look at floortrader's J19 & J29 for examples)

J26-J35 are pin-perf. (see floortrader's J33-J34s)

As for the various shades - Scott does a horrible job on Turkish postage dues. Don't look at the border - look at the overprints. The overprints are the same color as the border. Floortrader's J29 is what Isfila classifies as 'brick-red' (and Scott says 'reddish-brown')

Hi Michael,
thanks for chiming in.




That's extraordinary, I had been poring over my collection today, and that is exactly what I had decided myself.

That said
Look at this online sale image, ...confusing
Agreed the perfs are a first thing to note.



Care to look over my pages, and give me your opinion?







That image is from Sariucak - I had him down as an expert

I'm glad my common could lead to some spirited debate. I must ask what "pin perfs" are? I see it referenced in other areas for early Turkish issues. I'm guessing that the perforating machine used left them cruder?

Hi Svensson,

"Pin Perforation" is a traditional term for pin roulette where the holes are made by sharp pins without removing any paper.

Thanks Nigel, I see where that could lead to much less neat separation.

Svensson - your stamp is a pin-perf...

Rod: I'd definitely consider the Sariucak site to be of expert caliber, but that is an obvious mistake. Happens to all of us...

That auction listing is definitely lacking. Appears to claim to be 12-16?? There's no 15 or 16 in the picture??

Your pages look nice. Hard to tell colors from the pictures. (The 2nd 5pi copy in 1st row of 2nd page looks black-brown, not red.)

Your pages don't distinguish between normal perfs & pin-perfs. The 1869 issues (bottom of page 1) should all be normal perfs - 13 1/2. None of the 4 stamps in your bottom row are 1869 issues - none are perf 13 1/2. (They all belong on pg 2!)

All of the 1871 issues are pin-perf - so the 1st 2 stamps in row 1 belong on page 1, as does the 1st stamp in row 2.

Forget the guy's name - someone had posted their album here a few months back - had very nice pages showing all (most?!) the perf/color varieties?

Michael,
thanks, time to start again....
I have always had trouble with these blighters.




Sorry, my bad, this was an image from a site selling stamps, I cropped.
I just used it to illustrate the variance of colours/ shades.