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Posted 07/01/2017   01:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jimjamtwo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone identify this postmark (the one on the left)?

The one on the right seems to be [HAR]BIN 13. Please let me know if this is incorrect.

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Posted 07/01/2017   04:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The one on the left is Hongtong (lower characters) in Shanxi province (top characters).
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Edited by hy-brasil - 07/01/2017 04:51 am
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Posted 07/01/2017   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks!
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Posted 07/01/2017   9:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have to disagree slightly: the place is Hongdong (in Pinyin romanisation) or Hungtung (in Wade-Giles) in, in those days, Shansi Province.
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Posted 07/01/2017   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, apologies, I should have noted the Wade-Giles versions due to the era this comes from.

Modern references including one other than Wikipedia say that indeed locally, the second character is pronounced dňng, in Pinyin, tóng. Over here, is it Lawz An-je-LEEZ, or Lahs An-je-LUSS?; MI-zer-EE or Muh-zer-UH? In Oz, there's Cairns, The City That Americans Can't Pronounce ...
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Edited by hy-brasil - 07/01/2017 10:09 pm
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Posted 07/09/2017   01:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's another one I need help for. I can't find a city in China with a name like KIAXO or KIAXU. Does anyone know what it is?

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Posted 07/09/2017   04:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to say without the Chinese characters to confirm, but I would guess it is probably KIAYU (modern day Jiayu, near Xianning of Hubei Province). Interested in seeing what others might conclude...

As Tonymacg pointed out in another thread, the letter "X" was not used during that time period, so anything that might look like an X is likely either a part/smudged/damaged Y or H.
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Edited by khj - 07/09/2017 05:49 am
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Posted 07/09/2017   05:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent read, khj!, still given here as Kiayu, maybe the same town you note, though I seem to get Jiayu as a county in the same approximate area:
http://www.geographic.org/geographi...1118&c=china

I don't quite get why there are 3 characters at the bottom; too smudged for me to read.

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Edited by hy-brasil - 07/09/2017 05:26 am
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Posted 07/09/2017   05:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I corrected a typo, Hubei Province, not Hebei Province.
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Posted 07/09/2017   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kiayu works, but I can't find any evidence of a town of that name. There are multiple references, however, to a place called Kiayu-kwan. See, for example, this 1933 article on the Great Wall:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48422313
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Edited by jimjamtwo - 07/09/2017 6:53 pm
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Posted 07/09/2017   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, that's a different place. For older articles on Jiayu in Hubei, you need to Google something like "Kiayu Hopei" or "Kiayu Hupeh"... and you should be able to find a couple.

But again, I cannot confirm that this is the corresponding postmark for that town. It is only my best guess.
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Edited by khj - 07/10/2017 01:18 am
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Posted 07/10/2017   08:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hello all: The Kiayu town can be found on this old map (1900).If this is the
town in question I ignore...Towns provinces ;they changed names...




https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7820.ct005536/
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