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US #10/11 - Things You Can See On Unworn-Plate Printings With Quality Ink

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Posted 07/05/2017   12:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My 10A is similar to your 10. sinclair2010 thought that it was from 1E or 1i. I still need to buck up for the plating photos.



This is a scan on Photobucket, but make sure to download the image to see the full resolution version. A whole plate 1E or 1i #10A in great detail. I.E. not in a browser:

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/an...dvr.jpg.html
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Posted 07/08/2017   02:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry. I didn't intend to be a thread stopper. I absolutely love the artwork and intricacies of this design.

Seeing a design as the artist intended seems almost rare (for early classics). That is unless the material is proofs. It's just great to see such detail out in the wild. I wanted to share the entirety of one such example.

Classic Coins, your stamps are gorgeous. I thank you for sharing them.

P.S.
At the very left of the bottom frame line of my stamp, it appears to have been made by two tool passes. Also just above it are two "tail segments" as I call them on the left side base of the 'T'. The 'tail' area being negative ink leads me to think that it is an artifact of the die and quite common. The dual lines at extreme of the most bottom line left side seem to probably be a potentially common recut/line strengthening artifact from mistake while widening a line that could occur on any strong line.

I am somewhat new to flyspecking this issue.

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Posted 07/08/2017   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Historical DNA Collector, Thanks for the #10A image. I didn't notice the split bottom frame line. This could be from two tool passes, or a shift/double transfer. These seem to be somewhat common on the bottom frame line.

I did notice the two tiny vertical lines to the left of the foot of the T in THREE. Very strange, and I have never seen this before, but I'll see if I can spot it on any of my stamps.

Your stamp also clearly shows the radiating lines coming out from the bottom left of the C in CENTS that was discussed in the following thread:

https://goscf.com/t/51392#51392
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Edited by Classic Coins - 07/08/2017 10:01 pm
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Posted 07/08/2017   10:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think this stamp shows the two lines in the left side base of the T.
I have it plated as 94R1e.

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Posted 07/09/2017   12:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good hunting, stampcrow! I can see it! Two different positions, it seems.
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CC, I was poking around Stamp Smarter and it looks like there are some stamps that show your YRR markings. A quick look at both 1e plates. See 66L1e and 68L1e. An even quicker spin through left and right plat 8. see 42L8 and 54R8.
I'm not able to say whether these stamps are Yellow'ish. I don't think any of the four are mine lol.

Wonder what you think?
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Posted 07/09/2017   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stampcrow, I looked at the four Stamp Smarter images you looked at. They are some very clear printings.

I can clearly see the line in the oval on 66L1e.

68L1e may show a hint of the vertical lines to the left of the foot of the T in THREE that Historical DNA Collector spotted, and also some vertical lines between G & E at top.

42L8 and 54R8 look like yellowish rose red on my monitor, although some YRR colors are very close to pale claret.

54R8 is an especially nice (probable) yellowish rose red, with the vertical lines in the eye, and three arcs in the button showing well.
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Posted 07/09/2017   7:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oops, sorry Gary, I meant 68R1e for the YRR markings. I had made a note about the 68L1e because of the possible T marks. I think we need a better image of that 68L1e to make a call on those T markings.

Sorry for the confusion.

For plate 8 I only looked at a few stamps from each side (5 each maybe), I clicked on stamps that I thought had yellowish tone. I'm glad to hear that even with my monitor, my eye is getting better with spotting color.
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Posted 07/09/2017   8:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK. 68R1e is my stamp. It shows parts of three arcs in the button. The eye shading lines and the line into the white oval are discernible on my 2400 DPI scan, but there isn't much clarity.
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Posted 07/09/2017   10:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wish we knew who the 68L1e belongs to. I'm curios about the T marks.
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Posted 07/09/2017   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah. I hope I can find one with the lines next to the T in my collection. So far, no luck.
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So At 67 I am questioning if there is enough brain matter left to become knowledgeable is this area of collecting. Very interesting subject.
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Posted 07/12/2017   7:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There's plenty of help to bridge the gaps...

This site
USPCS web site
Stamp Smarter web site
The must have book..., The 3c Stamp of The United States 1851-1857 Issue, by Carroll Chase.
This site
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Posted 07/12/2017   8:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So At 67 I am questioning if there is enough brain matter left to become knowledgeable is this area of collecting. Very interesting subject.

wheelman, "flyspecking" this issue will help keep your brain sharp!
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Posted 07/12/2017   9:36 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that is the best piece of salesmanship I have ever seen. It must work :)
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