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US #10/11 - Things You Can See On Unworn-Plate Printings With Quality Ink

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Posted 07/13/2017   01:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the "two tool marks" that I described:



Yeah, it's very minor and does seem to be two tool work lines. I don't doubt as you say that these types of marks are common.

Regardless of that, it's good to be in contact with you all again!



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Posted 07/15/2017   02:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Have not performed an exhaustive search, but did notice that the 68L1e position image on stampsmarter also shows 5 of the radial lines. Along with the already noted "hint" of the vertical line in the left foot of T in THREE.

It also has connected feet of the adjacent "H" and "R" just like mine and stampcrow's which differ by having two of the vertical lines.


68L1e as seen on stampsmarter:
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Posted 07/18/2017   8:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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At the very left of the bottom frame line of my stamp, it appears to have been made by two tool passes.


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I didn't notice the split bottom frame line. This could be from two tool passes, or a shift/double transfer. These seem to be somewhat common on the bottom frame line.

Historical DNA Collector, here's a clear example of a split frame line on position 2R2L, with Carroll Chase's plating and annotations on the reverse. Chase didn't classify it as a shift/double transfer, so it is recognized as resulting from recutting ("tool marks"), as you suggested with your posted image above.





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Posted 07/19/2017   05:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Classic Coins (Gary? if I remember correctly),
Lovely stamp. An extreme example compared to mine. I see no evidence of double transfer and agree that it is two diverging tool lines.

Carroll Chase's plating and other annotations make it even better.

I thank you for sharing,
Historical DNA Collector (Ryan)

P.S. I see a similar vertical line artifact at the left of the foot of the second 'E' of 'THREE' in your image.

I've found many such artifacts, but haven't taken the time to look for consistencies.
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Posted 07/19/2017   06:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Ryan. I didn't notice the artifact in the left foot of the second E in THREE until you mentioned it.

Carroll Chase's printing is very distinct. His 2s, to me, look like seagulls in flight, and his Rs have a big gap in the middle. Here are four examples together:

Gary

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Posted 07/20/2017   03:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I totally see that his marks are recognizable. I hope to find some of them for myself.

I thank you for sharing them.

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Posted 07/20/2017   06:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcome!
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Posted 07/22/2017   02:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It seems that Photobucket is no longer a place to post full images, so here's detailed portions:







Anyone, message me and I'll gladly send you the full image.
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Posted 07/23/2017   8:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found this lovely plate 5 YRR.
Starting to see some wear in the triangle. The button and the eye seem to be very sharp still.





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Posted 07/23/2017   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stampcrow, I'm sure it's clearer in person, but I can clearly see the vertical shading lines in the eye, three arcs of shading in the button, and the line extending into the white oval! That's a nice one with some rust marks at bottom. Shouldn't be too hard to plate if you haven't already.
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Posted 07/23/2017   8:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have it as 53L5L.

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Posted 07/23/2017   9:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right on!
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Posted 07/23/2017   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found an even clearer eye than shown so far. This is another yellowish rose red/pale and yellowish, printed from plate 5L (65L5L). I counted six vertical shading lines in the eye, including a tiny one in the corner that I think is discernible on other images posted.

With this new image and stampcrow's new YRR image, I'm pretty convinced at this point that the orange brown/yellowish and yellowish rose red/pale and yellowish inks produced the best-quality impressions in the 1851 to 1857 3-cent stamp issue.







Split top frame line:
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Posted 07/23/2017   10:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Brilliant.
This topic would make an interesting exhibit frame for the '2026 Boston World Expo'.
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Posted 07/23/2017   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, stampcrow! I think I can get even better images with my DSLR camera.
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