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Posted 10/29/2017   12:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seems reasonable to me.

I own 7 copies; 4 overinked and 3 "normal".

Those numbers appear to be a weird ratio...
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Posted 10/29/2017   1:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Staterevs,

I agree, the examples you show are just the combination of a bit too much ink and a bit too much pressure in the printing press.

Sort of like the end result of stepping down hard on a peanut butter sandwich.

Jim
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Posted 10/29/2017   1:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jim,

Any idea why the 1 cent seems to have so many?

Perhaps that run was done just before or after lunch. Goober anyone?

I looked through my other 1934 series and don't seem to see any other dominations with the same look.

I would not expect to see 4 of 7 copies this way. My stock page is years of filing copies away as they show up and aren't from any one sheet or collection.

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Posted 10/29/2017   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure why the wine one centers have this particular inking issue.

Here's another example of an offset press printed stamp with excess ink squirting out from all directions.

Jim

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Posted 10/29/2017   5:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Alas, I am a purist who does not think there is such a thing as a "partial double impression" except if there was extraneous paper on the sheet when printed which took part of the second impression and was lost.
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Posted 10/29/2017   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Alas, I am a purist who does not think there is such a thing as a "partial double impression"


Who used the term "partial double impression"?
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Posted 10/29/2017   5:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are all examples of using high etch plates (a practice pioneered at BEP beginning in 1924) on the offset presses. The late George Brett at times described these printings as letterset (combination of letter press and offset). When too much pressure is applied the result is the "squeeze" exhibited in the illustrated examples, a ridge of ink forced into large otherwise unprinted spaces. these are NOT double impressions. The high etch plates were adopted for all the cents denominations after 1924, i.e., the reprinted Series of 1916 wines (also called the Series of 1933), the small Series of 1934 wines, the Series of 1917 documentary with all their overprinted versions. Interestingly the 25¢ Series of 1917 documentary and especially the overprinted versions seem very late in going to letterset printings. For example, I have never seen a 25¢ Tobacco Sale Tax or 25¢ Silver Tax on anything but the earlier traditional offset printed documentary stamp. And all the 50¢ silver tax exhibit this so-called squeeze. At one time Scott listed this as a double impression, but we got them to remove that variety many years ago.

To StateRevs - look at your examples RE75, the 72¢ wine. It was years before I found an example without what Brett called squeeze from the high etch plates.
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Posted 10/29/2017   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To Jim - so your narcotic example was hand stamped on a documentary stamp that could not have been produced before 1924, almost a dead giveaway that it is a philatelic forgery! The handstamps were produced in 1919, although a few did see use a little later.
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Posted 10/29/2017   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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look at your examples RE75, the 72¢ wine. It was years before I found an example without what Brett called squeeze from the high etch plates.


Hi Ron - zero for nine!

Any other denoms we should look at?
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Posted 10/29/2017   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are all supposed to be double impressions.

Hopefully there can be some agreement about that, but I have my doubts...

Personally, I look specifically at the short vertical lines above the "series of 1916" text. If there are two lines next to each other instead of the normal one, I consider it a double impression.

As Ron described, the outer frame lines can be deceptive.

Jim



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Posted 10/29/2017   8:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They all appear to be double impressions from what I can tell from your images.
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Posted 10/30/2017   3:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One way to distinguish a true double impression from excess squeeze is that a double impression can only show excess ink in one or two directions. A squeezed impression will show excess ink on all four sides -- impossible if the sheet was run through the press a second time.
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Posted 11/07/2017   6:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another example of a letterset printing being confused with a double impression.

Jim

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Posted 11/07/2017   8:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jim and Kent - Find me an RG11 without that doubling, or more accurately squeeze, on the RG11. I have never seen one without it.
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Posted 06/05/2018   6:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mercilessly ripping the scab off this semi-healed topic:

A variety of a common narcotic stamp is shown below. The stamps were printed by offset, as were the previously-mentioned wine stamps.

I believe this to be a double impression, although a subtle, left-right one.

Eric Jackson included this unlisted-in-Scott variety in his inventory many years ago, but I don't have an image of that item.

Although this is analogous to throwing a big piece of raw steak into a cage of lions... what do you think?

Jim

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