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Posted 08/04/2017   02:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Laurie 02 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I Can't find anything with perf 2!

Oh look ...a green line! the value has increased 100 fold!

thank you in advance

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Posted 08/04/2017   07:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are Shermack coils, listed in the "vending and affixing machine perforations" section of the Specialized.
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Posted 08/04/2017   07:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Laurie 02 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you revcollector
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Posted 08/04/2017   07:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lawrence.


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Edited by rod222 - 08/04/2017 07:38 am
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Posted 08/04/2017   08:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kolvir to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't quite read the plaques on the machine; did it charge a fee? I see a dime with the three 3¢ stamps and a nickel for the four 1¢. One cent fee? Really neat collectable!
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Posted 08/04/2017   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These stamps were not sold through a vending machine !

The were sold in coils of 3000 to companies that owned a Schermack Mailing Machine for high volume mailing. The 2 slots were used to move the stamps through the machine and align them in the proper position where they were cut by a knife. The Schermack machine was capable of affixing the stamp to the the envelope and sealing the envelope at a rate of up to 250 envelopes/postcards per minute.

The machine pictured in the photo above was a later Schermack machine that dispensed government produced coils. This is the machine that processed your stamps.


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Edited by kcaramat - 08/04/2017 08:51 am
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Posted 08/04/2017   12:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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These stamps were not sold through a vending machine !


Thank you very much for clearing that up kcaramat,
Now it makes sense, Don said earlier in the week "affixing" and I didn't twig at the time.

The Vending machine is a Shermack, I put 2 and 2 together, and got 5.

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Posted 08/04/2017   1:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is more to the story.

When Joseph Schermack left the company they changed the name to Mailometer Company.

Schermack started the Schermack Vending Machine company that used the same 2 slot stamp design. The machines were located in and around the Detroit area. They were fairly small and could sit comfortably on a counter top. They weren't in operation very long before they made different machines that could handle government coils.

Occasionally on ebay you will see a personal postcard bearing a Schermack stamp that was gotten from one of those original Schermack vending machines. Generally the fact that it is from a private citizen, the date on the postmark from a small town outside of Detroit and a couple other stamp cosmetic factors will confirm it.

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Posted 08/04/2017   2:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The United States Specialist journal has some great articles on these private perforations. Some of these are available to non-members - please go to
their ebsite http://usstamps.org for more information.

Peter
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Posted 08/04/2017   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Laurie 02 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ok thank you everyone, as a US newbie collector, please bear with me, so now, I go back to my specialized and find out what stamp it actually is?
do I look at imperfs? or are these stamps trimmed somehow?

Cheers

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Posted 08/04/2017   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the back of book in Scott specialized under vending machine / private perforations. Not sure if regular Scott catalog has them in back of book, anyone?
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Posted 08/04/2017   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Laurie 02 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks stallzer, I got that bit, but now I have to find out if its type 1 or type 2, from the 06-08 or 09 printing, so I have to go back to the main part to identify the stamps I guess? so are they under the imperf bit or do they have a location all of there own?

Cheers and thanks everyone for your patience
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Posted 08/18/2017   04:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My collection is fairly void of early US.
Trying to get a feel of values.

These 3 just sold for $2
Are they "space fillers" ? par for the course?
or "keep looking"?

Thanks.

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Edited by rod222 - 08/18/2017 04:04 am
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Posted 08/20/2017   03:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Laurie 02 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

They all look ok to me, to be critical
The perfs on the Washington 3 cent:
the 1 cent Franklin has nice centering for balance but missing perfs pretty sure its re engraved with a secret mark:
The Jackson has nasty centering and quite a few dodgy perfs, and looks to have the secret mark also.

I would put them in an album no problems and upgrade over time.

Cheers
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Posted 08/20/2017   03:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Lawrence.


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I would put them in an album no problems and upgrade over time.


Thanks for some input, I feel that is bad budgeting for me, I worked that the CV was around $12 for good copies, I'd rather keep the $2 + shipping, and save for better copies.
I just had no idea how flexible the price range was.

If I get bad /damaged copies in other lots, or freebies, then I don't care, I'll mount anyhows, but when spending, I like to target medium good items, or sets. I don't give much creedence to centreing, I cannot afford that collecting worldwide.

Thanks for your input, I was still at sixes and sevens on how good that deal was. Early US appears very involved to me.





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Posted 08/20/2017   04:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Laurie 02 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Early US appears very involved to me.

I am finding that out Rod!

Stampsmarter is a great resource and very handy tool for identifying secret marks, Grills, Re-engraving and the identifier tool for Washington/Franklin Stamps.
But I think, save your cash and pick up some better quality Stamps, even lightly cancelled, maybe in a collection?
Cheers
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