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Questions About Overprint Of Those Old Stamps

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Posted 08/18/2017   08:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamperix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

again I have a small collection of questions here :). Those stamps were in our old family album, and I am going to sell the countries I don't collect. But as always the thing is if there is anything special about them so that I should keep them as I collect error stamps of any country.

I don't have many catalogues, so in general it would help me a lot to get the SG or Scott numbers then I can do research in the internet.

1.
I didn't find any information about the "OFICIAL" overprint, which variant of the stamp is this? What I like here is that there is also "OFICIAL" in the cancellation.

2.
Not an overprint, but what is the writing saying?

3. and 4.
What is the M.A. saying?

5.
I only found versions of this stamp with additional overprinting above, not only the last line at the bottom?

6.
I didn't find information about a green overprint?

7.
No overprinting here, just: is there premium to such a pair, although the stamp is pretty common?

8.
Catalogue number?

9.
There is a fine lilac / pink overprinting in a rectangle which is hard to see. If you are interested I can do a better photo here. Or do you know spontaneously which stamp it is with a lilac / pink overprinting?

Many questions again from my side, but to say it: these are nearly the last stamps I found in our album where I have questions about. After that I hope that I can concentrate again on the US classics.

stamperix

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Posted 08/18/2017   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EdziuMM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
3 & 4 are official overprints of the agriculture ministry. other such 2-letter overprints are other ministries.
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Posted 08/18/2017   12:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
7 is a cancellation, not overprint, I think
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Posted 08/18/2017   12:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
9 also
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Posted 08/18/2017   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding #8, various issues of Portugal and its colonies were overprinted 'Republica' after the end of the monarchy in 1910. King Carlos; pictured on this stamp, was assassinated in 1908 along with the crown prince.
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Posted 08/20/2017   09:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you all. M.A. I understood now, and yes, 7 is not an overprint. The China stamp has an additional pink overprint, I will try to make a better photo. Concerning the other stamps, I guess it's too specialized, sorry for the many questions :).
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Edited by stamperix - 08/20/2017 09:40 am
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Posted 08/20/2017   10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
5 is found in the Stanley Gibbons catalogue under Ubangi-Shari. Your stamp was issued in 1922. Stamps of Middle Congo, new colours, optd OUBANGUI-CHARI. 1c violet and green, SG 24.
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Posted 08/20/2017   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Please post a decent scan of number 9


Belay that request.

It is Japan Sc#107 1899 50 sen $60 / $2 2009

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Edited by rod222 - 08/20/2017 2:29 pm
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Posted 08/20/2017   5:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
22crows: as I don't have this catalogue: so this is the stamp with only the overprint line at the bottom?

Rod: I made a "better" photo as I don't have my scanner here. But I think you can see what I meant by "pink rectangle", also with some letters to see. I can't figure out anything what this could be?


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Posted 08/20/2017   5:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I can't figure out anything what this could be?


Unknown by me.
I does't look like a "chop" style
I browsed my database, all cancels around this period, were blackish, or a "rusty brown"
Around 1926 Violets and shades of violet ink came into use.

I could see no Pinks at all.

It may be an early commercial opt,
I'd put it down to just an EFO.
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Edited by rod222 - 08/20/2017 5:27 pm
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Posted 08/20/2017   5:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Don't quote me, I am a Learner Driver with Japan,
however I think these stamps may have been used in "Offices Abroad" = China.

It may be a Chinese additional marking, maybe a member can lift or isolate the marking for you.

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Posted 08/20/2017   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"22crows: as I don't have this catalogue: so this is the stamp with only the overprint line at the bottom?" YES

The original Middle Congo set was re-issued in new colours, but only issued with overprints. You can see the 2 overprinted sets in the new colours here at 1922 and 1924-26:

https://www.stampworld.com/en/stamps/Ubangi-Shari/
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Posted 08/21/2017   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you again for the Middle Congo, now I found it :).

About the Japan and China stamp: I tried to make it better visible, with some, but not much success. Perhaps a Chinese or Japanes native reader could figure it out, or you, Rod could give me a link to similar overprints in rectangle, perhaps I find the design, if not the color.

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Posted 08/21/2017   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it's Chinese or Japanese - more likely a European language. In that case, most probably a security marking by a non-Japanese company operating in Japan at the time.
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Posted 08/22/2017   12:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My reference was to stamp #6, not #8 which I mistakenly entered.
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