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Another Question About Germany Stamp - "Walzenstillstand"?

 
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Posted 08/22/2017   01:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add igopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I just wander - are those 2 stamp on the right are so-called "Walzenstillstand"? I am just guessing, because never seen it before.
Thanks in advance.
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Posted 08/22/2017   03:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johan Buvelot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Top row Plattendruck

Bottom row Walzendruck.

I do not know the English descriptions.

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Posted 08/22/2017   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've never heard the term "Walzenstillstand", but the one with the lines in the margin is rotary press printing (Walzendruck) and the others are flat plate printing (Plattendruck).
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Posted 08/22/2017   11:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add igopp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry - I did not provide details. I was not asking about comparison of Flat Plate and Rotary printing.
I found this term "Walzenstillstände" in the book of Jan Hohmann "Die Markenausgaben unter dem Beschluss des Alliierten Kontrollrates" Band 1. This is really helpful volume I purchased after advise received on this forum. I am not sure about copyright, but I guess small illustration from this book is not a big violation (attached).
Google translation of description (partial) is following:
"1.9.7. Rolling stoppages
Came there during the Printing process in roller printing
to disturbances and became the machine it came to pass irregularities in of the color distribution the pressure blocks, and thus also on the bow. Characteristics are strong crushing and smears"
Actually Google search on "Walzenstillstände" cannot find anything, but "Walzenstillständ stamps" shows few similar pictures.

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Posted 08/22/2017   11:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, it sounds like a rotary press printing problem which would cause freakish, horizontal bands of ink on the stamps.
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Posted 08/22/2017   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ddreisba to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Walzenstillstand: What an odd word. Waffenstillstand means armistice, an end to fighting. Does Walzenstillstand mean an end to dancing?

By the way Igopp, I noticed that you used an umlaut a in the last line of your second post. How the heck do you type that? You are located in the U.S> so you are probably using a keyboard just like mine, and I can't figure out how to get the two dots!

Don
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Posted 08/22/2017   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moose to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Walzenstillstände translates as 'rolling stoppages' so could it be over-inking due to a temporary stall in the printer?
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Posted 08/22/2017   1:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don,

On a Windows keyboard, you have to know the alt codes for the respective letters. You hold down Alt and type the number.

ALT 0223 = ß
ALT 0228 = ä
ALT 0246 = ö
ALT 0252 = ü
ALT 0196 = Ä
ALT 0214 = Ö
ALT 0220 = Ü

On a Mac keyboard just hold down the respective letter (a, o, u, or s) to get options which include all non-English variations of the letter, like so...


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Posted 08/22/2017   2:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Walzenstillstand means that there is partial "bold printing" / too much ink as written above, here is an example (third row), you can zoom in with the link "vergößern" there on the page.

http://briefmarken-baumeister.de/al...llstand.html


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Posted 08/22/2017   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add igopp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To ddreisba: Yes - I use regular USA keyboard, so it is impossible to type "ä" directly. I know this trick with Alt+Code typing since early DOS versions, but it requires frequent consulting with coding table. So this time I used simple Copy/Paste technique - you find this character somewhere on web-page or in opened German text file and simply Copy/Paste it in your word.
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Posted 08/23/2017   11:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ddreisba to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the advice on umlauts.

Don
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Posted 08/29/2017   08:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi igopp,

No they are not. One thing with these post war stamps is the quality problem in the production.

Congrats for the book purchase.

Regards

Hornet



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Edited by hornet785 - 08/29/2017 10:16 pm
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Posted 08/29/2017   11:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add igopp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hornet - thank you! I guess the main defining difference between my stamps and real "Walzenstillstände" is even distribution of bold color vs. "spotty" areas. Is it correct criteria?
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Posted 08/29/2017   2:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Try PopChar! Even Chinese characters at your disposal ;)

http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharx/
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Posted 08/29/2017   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi igopp,

The picture from Jan's book, is an extreme one. Normally, it looks more like in stamperix's link or like the 80 Pfg beside Jan's picture in the book.

Any questions related to that book, feel free to ask, I do collect these.

Best regards

Hornet

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