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Notice Anything Unusual About The Vignette On This Stamp?

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Posted 08/24/2017   9:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add James Drummond to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
First image is a "normal" R119 second issue revenue stamp, second image is the variety, third is the certificate that doesn't mention the variety.

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Posted 08/24/2017   9:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is the picture in both stamps different?

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Posted 08/24/2017   9:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter,

Yes. Compare the vignette (Washington's head).

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Posted 08/24/2017   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rhett to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I know nothing about revenue stamps but the variety vignette doesn't look like good old George at all!
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Posted 08/24/2017   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Someone did a pretty good job drawing him in. This cert is from a period when dealers were still running things and some questionable people and items were involved. Including the submitter, in this case.
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Posted 08/24/2017   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jim, so what is the variety, please explain.

I do not see a variety myself.

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Posted 08/24/2017   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know nothing about revenue stamps, let alone the varieties, but the Washington's head looks very ndifferent in both. Is it a different printer?

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Edited by Petert4522 - 08/24/2017 10:00 pm
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Posted 08/24/2017   10:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Stampmaster,

Back when these stamps were in use, a buck thirty was a significant amount of money to most people.

There was considerable interest by at least some of those that used revenue stamps to try to reuse a revenue stamp, whenever possible.

If they got away with it, they saved a lot of money, but then again they broke the law too.

In this case, someone tried to remove the initial pen cancellation (seen as the faded gray scribbles across Washington's forehead) and then to cover this up they drew in the president's head. As noted, whoever did it did a pretty good job.

Then another pen cancel, made up of a sideways "X," was applied.

So this stamp appears to have been used twice.

Just kind of surprising that this was not noticed (and/or noted) before. Or, if it was, nobody commented about it.

Jim

p.s. One of the weird revenue things that I collect is stamps that look like they have been used twice (or more). This is from that "collection."
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Edited by James Drummond - 08/24/2017 10:11 pm
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Posted 08/24/2017   10:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Including the submitter, in this case.


Sorry, I know nothing of "J. & H. Stolow."

Is it possible to elaborate?

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Posted 08/24/2017   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know that it was used twice, my first thought was that someone drew the x because of the drawn in vignette, marking it as a fake. Since the initial manuscript cancel is still clearly visible, I believe that the vignette faded, and someone "replaced" it.

Stolow was an old time auction house with a "look carefully at everything" kind of reputation, at least when I knew of them 40 years ago. There were also some very evil rumors about how they got started back in the 30's which I heard from a few honest old time dealers when I was a boy.
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There were also some very evil rumors about how they got started back in the 30's which I heard from a few honest old time dealers when I was a boy.

Since the concerned parties are gone now, could you elaborate?
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Posted 08/24/2017   10:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Since the concerned parties are gone now, could you elaborate?


Sounds like a great idea for a tell-all book about the "darker" side of philately.

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Posted 08/24/2017   10:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They still have family in the stamp industry, so I prefer not to do so, since I have no proof that the rumors are true. I trust the honesty of the person who first told me the story, but that has no outside validity.
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Posted 08/24/2017   10:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's ok, the guy is on the Internet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Stolow

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Posted 08/24/2017   11:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kind of similar to Nicholas F. Seebeck.
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I grew up in NYC and back in the late 70's and perhaps even the very early 1980's J & H Stolow used to advertise on nighttime TV to buy stamp collections from the public. I tried to find one of the commercials on youtube but no luck.
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