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Pillar Of The Community
Israel
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Posted 09/08/2017   10:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rob Roy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi
While arranging a newly acquired 1500 dif Spanish stamps I ran into these questions:

1) In the first two scans there are stamps from General Franco series.
How many sets were issued?
I know that the first set had the author's name Sanchez Toda printed under the image.
In the two scans I see different type and size of numbers (the "5" looks different), also I saw that the digits either fill the whole square, or are smaller, and the digits either touch the horizontal lines within the square, or have a space that makes them look as if coated with white shadow. So, how many sets were and how to distinguish them? Simplified Scott only mentions different perf.



2) Did they issue here 2 shades of color, or did the color just faded in one of them?


3) Was there a set of un perfoated stamps? Is this a tax stamp?


4) In the next two scans, are these real color variations that were issued, or faded/aged stamp color?



5) Are these color differences real or stamp-aging artifacts?


6) In the first row, were these stamps originally issued with very light color, or did they fed with time?
7) The stamp on the right of the first row - I couldn't find it in any catalog.
8) In the second row, do the hand written cancellation indicate that the stamps were used for tax?
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Pillar Of The Community
United Kingdom
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Posted 09/08/2017   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert on Spanish stamps but if you notice on the 20, 25 and 60 cts and 1 pta there are different perforations, therefore it is logical to expect a difference in colour as this indicates different printings.

Take a look at stampworld.com, as this may very well answer most of your questions.
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Pillar Of The Community
Israel
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Posted 09/08/2017   1:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Tim
I started with stampworld, and came here with what I wasn't answered about. Stampworld names 2 sets plus a single stamp, 1st set with author's name, 2nd without.
I think their 2nd set mixed 2 sets. In another source they mention sets later than 1939.
SCW (Stamp Collecting World) could have given an excellent answer, but it doesn't reach 1939 and later.
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Pillar Of The Community
United States
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Posted 09/08/2017   2:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1) first scan: you are comparing two different things here. A difference in "5"s is irrelevant.
second scan: a sharper scan would tell us if this was light inking on the left stamp or a printing difference.
2) The left stamp has aged/toned paper. The ink color will look different.
3) Compare the paper with the perforated stamps. If different, this is cut from stationery.
4) There is color variation here, probably not enough to be considered a variety by catalogs or most collectors. This minor variation is prevalent throughout Spanish issues, even fairly modern ones.
5) Could be either. There is minor variation in colors for these, per comment above.
Second row: the first stamp is toned and the stamp has been soaked in something to make the ink run.
6) The stamps have faded for whatever reason, including due to some of the ink colors being impermanent.
7) Top right stamp and bottom row stamps all read "timbre movil" -- these are revenue/tax stamps that can be found in the online Forbin catalog of 1915 (I believe the year is correct).
8) Pen cancels do not necessarily mean revenue usage.
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Pillar Of The Community
Israel
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Posted 09/08/2017   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the detailed reply. It helps a lot.
Regarding the FV variants - are you sure it could have all appeared in the same set?
I scanned again using a magnifier and I see changes in currency titles, feeling direction, and form of the digits.


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Pillar Of The Community
Israel
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Posted 09/09/2017   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am sure some of the Pillars and the Bedrocks got the whole series of the Generalissimo. Can you help me please?
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Pillar Of The Community
France, Metropolitan
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Posted 09/09/2017   4:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi; Try this Spanish Catalog; By year;
http://catalogodesellos.fesofi.es/p...isco-franco/
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Bedrock Of The Community
Australia
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Posted 09/09/2017   6:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


You offer no assistance for identification.
Poor scan, no commentary on paper colour, thickness, gum,
Try to offer observations that can assist.

It does exist imperforate, Edifil 920 and possibly valuable 6500 p? in 1988

I'd agree with HB, the muddy scan would suggest stationery.

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Edited by rod222 - 09/09/2017 6:26 pm
Bedrock Of The Community
Australia
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Posted 09/09/2017   6:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



Left to right
Edifil #931 Edifil #930

The 10 pesetas also comes in 2 differing engravings PTS and PTAS
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Pillar Of The Community
France, Metropolitan
3747 Posts
Posted 09/09/2017   6:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 10 cts imperf is charity Tuberculosis stamp,Edifil 888,1939
https://www.clasf.es/sello-de-espa%...ia-20698031/
Below imperfs (from Todocoleccion). Edifil 867S / 78S 1939


below(from Iberphil) 1940 set;



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Edited by perf12 - 09/09/2017 7:02 pm
Pillar Of The Community
Israel
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Posted 09/09/2017   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Perf and Rod.
Each catalog says something else.
Stampworld was the least accurate in this case, the Spanish catalog was very close to the other catalog online, and Scott added a few more stamps.
Scott also suggested that the imperf 10c was a tax stamp. Since the postal imperf cost more, I believe I got the tax stamp.
So, I conclude that there were 4 sets: 1st with author name, two without, and another imperf.
As for tuberculosis, I saw bigger stamps of this set marked with the tuberculosis cross.
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Edited by Rob Roy - 09/09/2017 8:55 pm
Pillar Of The Community
France, Metropolitan
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Posted 09/10/2017   09:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rob Roy:In fact there are 4 distinctive sets of the Franco stamps (profile).Perfed
1)April 1939 21x26mm,perf 10 x 10 1/2 ,litho
2)April 1939 21x26mm,perf 10 x 10 1/4,litho
3)1941-45 29x25mm,perf. 9 1/2 x 10 1/4 litho
4)Feb. 1949 25 x 29mm,perf. 12 3/4 x 13 1/4 fotolithographed
The imperfs exist in at least 2 different sets.
In the Spanish catalog ,scroll all the way down too the technical
information on each stamp.
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Pillar Of The Community
Israel
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Posted 09/10/2017   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Perf. I see again that the definitives are the real challenge to collect.
Are you saying that the first two sets perf differ in only 1/4? With age-worn teeth (is that the word for the perf thingies?) it will be really hard to distinguish.
Unless the first set is with the author's name.
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Pillar Of The Community
France, Metropolitan
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Posted 09/10/2017   1:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your right ,does't make sense.No perf 10 1/2.I don't know where I saw that.
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Pillar Of The Community
France, Metropolitan
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Posted 09/10/2017   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Spanish Stamp in commemoration to Sanchez Toda..Some of his works in the link.Realistic engraving.
http://banrepcultural.org/coleccion...A1nchez-toda

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Pillar Of The Community
Netherlands
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Posted 03/21/2026   08:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reviving an old thread to illustrate not all is what it seems and it is not always clear what an online source is telling you.


Quote:
1)April 1939 21x26mm,perf 10 x 10 1/2 ,litho
2)April 1939 21x26mm,perf 10 x 10 1/4,litho
3)1941-45 29x25mm,perf. 9 1/2 x 10 1/4 litho
4)Feb. 1949 25 x 29mm,perf. 12 3/4 x 13 1/4 fotolithographed


These stamps are line perforated 14, the image, including the frame lines is 22 x 26 millimetres. One has the SANCHEZ TODA inscription below the stamp, the other does not. I shall give away that 1 and 2 are the same set.

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Edited by NSK - 03/21/2026 08:34 am
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