Could This Be The 1858 Romania #1 ?????

I have had this stamp in my collection for a long time and do not even remember where I got it. I was going to sell it recently on ebay as a Cinderella as I could not find it anywhere.

I ow have stumbled across the stamp as the 1858 Romania #1. The stamp color looks off, but being so old, I would not be surprised if the color had faded. There are no other 27c Romania stamp varieties, so this is either a #1 or it is a fake. To check if it was a fake, I downloaded a stamp image copy from stampworld and ran the StampCompare software in order to compare the two stamps with images on top of each other. A fake stamp would most probably have small differences as faked stamps are never perfect copies of the original. I was shocked to find that the two stamps were identical to the finest details. There were many features of the stamp that one would think would not appear on a faked copy, but even these details matched perfectly. If this is a fake, it is one hell of a great job.

Anyway, I would like to get expert opinions from chat board members. I have attached two pictures. One id my stamp and the other (the darker ink) is the copy of the stamp that I got off of stampworld website.

I need comments as the catalogue value of this stamp is a mere $50,000.



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The color of my stamp looks too brown, but the paper looks correct. I do see someone on ebay listing a replica of he 1858 Romania #1 stamp and that replica looks pretty good. Not sure how someone generated such a replica unless it was done on a xerox machine. I can only imagine that my stamp must also be a replica, but how can one tell when the replica is such a good match to the real stamp. I would say that the person selling the replica is asking $25 for it.

here is an image of the replica on ebay.

Hi,you may find interesting informations here (at 1st Moldova) : http://www.romaniastamps.com/forg/forgeframe.htm

It looks like a forgery, will give more info. in the morning .

Opinion:
Forgery or something else.
Paper?
1. Ear on right somewhat bigger than that of the left, with the median line broken
2. Lip bottom is not united to the horn post.
3. The curve of the snout down from between the eyes, has a lesser curve in the provided example.

Await others opinions

Special mention to SCF member clifhiker for my catalogue advancement

Update:
Biggest trouble I see, is the nostril, I have looked at the 32 images, that form the print, which of course vary from stamp to stamp.
Most nostrils form a lower case "M" excepting one stamp that has a "C"
Nothing like your example is evident.

ROD----Where did you find those descriptions ?

The "Bible"
Caveat: Digital translations. Errors and mis-translations may occur, hence "opinion"

Catalogul Marcilor Postale Romanesti.

Lets put it English ------There are three classic forgeries of this stamp excluding any of the modern computer printed stuff . The three have all been done on different paper . This stamp above is not one of them but it has a lot of faults when matched to the description of the real stamp . So instead of writing out the differences let me just post the page of how to identify the real stamp .

My guess is the above copy is a cut out from a album or a book because it lacks the details of a real stamp . Here is a copy of my forgery it is the 2nd. forgery described by EAREE in his book ALBUM WEEDS .

I'll say, some of the images here are terrible.
It is very hard to get a good picture of a real Scott 1 27 parale.

I even consulted my other catalogue from 1869 no picture or image there either.

The Real deal (Hopefully)
https://www.romania-insider.com/rar...cal-auction/

I am surprised at the shape of the snout, my previous thoughts were incorrect.

Sewall,
if you crop both your image, and the apparent genuine, then "toggle" between the images, the "K" is the real worry.
The top arm of the "K" in the genuine is bent strikingly, in yours, it is straight.

I agree with you , if a forgery, not a bad effort.

The 27 Parale according to Wikipedia



Romania 2018

The potential of finding a Romanian 27 parale.......

Worldwide estimate figures. David Feldman. (Brackets Museums etc)

Mint 8 +(8) +1
Used 96 +(26)+(6)
On Cover 16 +(9) +(4)

Total 174

floortrader and rod,

Thanks for your most excellent posts. Regarding the catalogue description sheet with the image of the stamp, there are some issues. The image is a drawing of the stamp and not a good one at that. The drawing floortrader provided from the catalogue has some serious issues: The shape of the "7" is all wrong and the horn has lines inside it, not dots, and so on. As such, I do not trust this catalogue drawing as being anywhere near an accurate representation and it makes me wonder if the catalogue's description of the stamp's nuances are totally correct.

Floortraders stamp, as he points out, is clearly a forgery as StampCompare software shows major differences between it and the real stamp.

Rod's picture of the #1 stamp that was sold at auction looks like the best guide to me.

My "fake" stamp is an exact match to the picture that Rod posted as an auctioned real stamp. It is a perfect duplicate design-wise. So where is my stamp from? If it is a "forgery" per se, it is an incredible job. It could have been cut from a catalogue album The color of my stamp paper is correct for a real stamp, which strikes me as being strange because what stamp catalogue would by chance have the same colored paper as this stamp. The stamp paper also does not seem to be like album paper, but I i will have to look more closely. The ink color on my stamp is wrong (although the black ink color is possibly faded). I will have to examine the paper more closely. My stamp also has a slight border around it. One can see the border on the left side and the top of the stamp. This may indicate that it was cut from a catalogue or from some other page where the stamp image had a border placed around it. But maybe the stamp was printed with borders around it as a guide for cutting the stamp from the page. There were on 5,000-6,000 stamps produced so I doubt that there are any pairs or blocks of the #1 stamp in existence that wold then show any lines between the stamps. The stamp is certainly not a xerox copy as the color of the ink would be black and the stamp details more pronounced. This is a different beast. Too bad it is so expensive to get a stamp professionally authenticated. It just does not pay to spend $30 to have that done on a stamp that is probably worth $25 at maximum.