Q Re Minkus Supreme Album (1966 Version)

I have a 3 volume set of Minkus Supreme albums dating from 1966 and have been going through the pages and writing Scott catalog numbers in each space. I just completed Paraguay and have discovered that a number of stamps issued 1934-1940 (Scott Nos. C84-C109) and 1962-1963 (Scott Nos. 728-750) do not have spaces provided on my pages.

I hoping someone has a set of 1966 Supremes and can help me determine if I'm missing any pages. My question is - I have 19 double-sided pages - can anyone tell me how many pages their 1966 Supreme has for Paraguay?

Eric

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Eric: I have the 1966 Supreme Global set and can take a look and do a page count for you as soon as I get home from work, in an hour or so.I

My apologies for the later-than-promised response. My 1966 Supreme Global has 34 total pages for Paraguay (on 17 double-sided sheets).

Thanks for checking. Not the answer I was expecting. I'm hoping you'll be willing to check how our pages are different.

Following is the Minkus number for the first stamp on each of my nineteen Paraguay pages: N13, 151, 276, 360, 413, 507, 609, 674, 711, 779, 843, 890, 959, 1007, 1111, 1166, 1258, 1302 and 1335.

Where do we differ? My guess is that the last two pages were "added" to my 1966 Supremes.

Eric: Sure, I can check the pages but I probably won't be able to get to it until sometime tonight.

Thanks again. No rush on your reply.

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Eric and Filechaser

First, congratulations on trying to fill the three volume 1966 edition Minkus Supreme with 121,000+ spaces! That edition was probably the most comprehensive general WW album every published as one entity.

I am a real fan of the Minkus Supreme, as you can tell from my blog post.

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.co...bum-for.html

I checked 1934-1940 (Scott Nos. C84-C109) and 1962-1963 (Scott Nos. 728-750), and my Minkus pages do not have them either.

Now, I don't have the 1966 edition Minkus per se, but I do have the Part I (1840-1952), Part II (1953-1963), and Part III (1964-1967) heavy paper sections as sold now by Amos Advantage (Scott).

So it appears that the Minkus Supreme has systemically neglected these spaces.

I will probably put these stamps on a blank or quadrilled page, or ask Amos if they have any of these pages in their Minkus archives.

Eric: With the exception of your last two pages, they match mine. My guess is that they were part of a later supplement. What years are listed at the top of the pages? The final page in my set, the "reverse" side of the page starting with 1258, is headed "Issues of 1964."

Next question - your Supremes are copyrighted 1966 - do they include the statement "1966 Supplement included" on the back side of the title page? Maybe your set was the original 1966 issue and my was a later issue that included the 1966 Supplement?

Using old albums can get very complicated.

Yes, it does. I purchased the set around 1979 or 1980 from a dealer, Fred Coops in San Bernardino, Calif.
What years are in the headers at the top your "additional" pages? That could be a clue. Most of mine end with 1964 but there are some with 1965 or 1966.
When I purchased my set, the bundle of 1967-73 Supreme/Master supplements that Minkus was labeling as Vol. III to the Master Global was out of stock, then out of print, bur I was able to buy Vol. 4 (1974-76) and kept the subsequent supplements current through 1984. But with that gap I can't determine what years your last 2 pages cover.

 

Actually, I'm not trying to fill the Supreme Global, just the opposite. I have assembled a run of the Scott International through Part 6; I'm currently focusing on Part 1.
I am dealing with Part 1's coverage issues by adding blank supplemental pages. I follow your blog and am using your checklist.
I acquired the Minkus albums around 1979 or 80, but got sidetracked before I had transferred everything from the Harris Citation I had been using. Everything was dormant tntil 3 or 4 years ago. So now I have the Minkus set and a box of pages from the Citation to go through.

Ha-Ha, either one is a good choice, but for different reasons.

Have fun with the Big Blues.

It is always difficult to recreate the various combinations and permutations of album pages that are being constantly "updated" by any publisher, in this case, Minkus.

My Part II (1953-1963) heavy paper Minkus pages as sold now by Amosadvantage follows yours at 890,959,1007,1111, and "1962" 1166 (with reverse page showing "1962-63", ending at 1219).

The Part III (1964-66) then has the "1963-64" 1258 page (but beginning on the reverse side), "1964" 1302, "1965" 1335-(reverse side ends with 1368).

So far, this all agrees with Eric's pages as far as content.

The Part III (1964-66) now continues with pages "1963-64" 1250A,"1965-66" 1370, "1966" 1406, and ends with "1966" 1440 _(reverse side is "1966-67"-ends with 1474).

Hope this helps.

To beat Paraguay to death a little more throughly -

My last four double sided pages are:

16th page - front Issues of 1962 (1166 through 1193) - back Issues of 1962-63 (1238 through 1219)
17th page - front Issues of 1963-64 (1258 through 1964) - back Issues of 1964 (1285-1316)
18th page - front Issues of 1964 (1302-1321) - back Issues of 1965 (1326-1351)
19th page - front Issues of 1965 (1335-1342) - back Issues of 1965 (1352-1368)

I purchased my three volume set used and they're not in the best of shape. In addition, they've had an unknown number of supplements added. Strangely, some counties have been updated to the late 60s, while others stop at 1963, 64, or 65. I recently found what I thought was a "clean" volume three which I had hoped was as issued. I was using this new volume three to return my originally purchased Volume 3 to it's as issued state and replace pages that had problems (old mounts, tears, etc). Now it appears that neither of my copies of Volume 3 are as issued.

Jim, a question for you. I started out my Minkus odyssey by purchasing an almost unused copy of the 1954 Supreme. I had hoped to update the album to 1961 (my year of birth) and started watching for copies of the early supplements. When I realized how difficult the supplements were to find, I purchased the 1966 set as a simpler solution to get pages up to 1961. In looking through some of the earlier supplements I did locate, I discovered that in addition to including pages for the preceding year, some of the early supplements also expanded coverage for certain countries. For example, the 1957 supplement expanded coverage for French India, Fiume, Estonia and Unganda & Tangayika. Do you have any idea how Amos dealt with these expansion pages when reissuing the Supremes. Did they stick with the 1954 edition or did they go back and incorporate the later expansions?

I'm pretty sure that the Part I 1840-1952 Minkus now sold by amosadvantage is the original 1954 version.

[Edit Update: Happily, not true! The edition sold by Amos has enhanced country coverage for several countries that was originally included in the 1957 Supplement. See the rest of this thread for specifics. Thanks to Eric for the information.]

There is no date coverage beyond 1954, and there are no Minkus numbers in the spaces, except for the U.S. And the color descriptions are rather generic for a space, and do not reflect the more specific color descriptions found in the WW Minkus catalogue. In other words, the pages were published before the WW Minkus catalog was developed.

I suspect that any later enhancement of coverage from the supplements (that apparently began to be issued in 1955) is not reflected in this edition as now sold by Amos.

But I don't know for sure.

But there is a way to tell.

Eric, you say that your 1957 supplement has expanded coverage for French India, Fiume, Estonia and Uganda & Tangayika.

If you give some examples of coverage from these countries, I can check my Part I and see if it matches it or not.

BTW, the Part II 1953-63 pages now sold by Amos all have Minkus numbers in the spaces. I think these pages reflect a later iteration of the pages, and not necessarily the pages as they were organically developed by yearly supplements.

Jim -

The 1957 Supplement has the following pages in addition to the "normal" pages which include stamps issued immediately prior to the date of the supplement - which, depending on the country, - could include stamps back to 1951 or so.

The cover sheet for the 1957 reads "[i]n answer to your many requests, we have redesigned several countries, so that you may better enjoy your albums. We have increased French India 2 pages, increased Fiume from 2 to 6 pages, Estonia from 2 to 6, and Kenya, Uganda & Tanganyika from 2 to 6 pages. In doing so, we have taken the page of East Africa & Uganda - German East Africa, Tanganyika which was formerly in the M's combined with Maldive and moved them to the K's."

1. Estonia-Eesti [in my 1954 edition, Estonia from 1918 to 1940 is on a single double-sided page. The 1957 supplement pages have 3 double-sided pages covering 1918 to 1941. The 1966 edition pages are the same as the 1957 supplement except for the addition of catalog numbers]
3. Fiume [in my 1954 edition, Fiumi from 1918 to 1923 is on a single double-sided page. The 1957 supplement pages have 3 double-sided pages covering 1918 to 1924. The 1966 edition pages are the same as the 1957 supplement except for the addition of catalog numbers]
4. Kenya, Uganda and Tanganyika [in my 1954 edition, K, you & T from 1921 to 1954 is on 2 double-sided page (the back of the second double-sided page is blank). The 1957 supplement pages have 3 double-sided pages covering 1918 to 1941 which start with British East Africa aa well as Uganda and German East Africa - Tanganyika. The first 3 double-sided 1966 edition pages are the same as the 1957 supplement except for the addition of catalog numbers]
5. Maldive Islands [Maldives is on the front side of a single page in the 1954 edition (British East Africa aa well as Uganda and German East Africa - Tanganyika is on the front side), it is on both sides on a double-sided page in the 1957 supplement. The 1966 edition pages are redesigned and different from the 1957 supplement]
6. French India [the cover sheet indicates that 2 new French India pages are included in the 1957 supplement. The pages I have do not include any French India pages. Comparing my 1954 and 1966 Supremes, the first double-sided page is the same in both (although the 1966 edition has catalog numbers). There is a second double-sided page in the 1954 edition covering 1915 to 1950. The second and third double-sided pages in the 1966 edition cover 1941 to 1954]

I'm thinking that it should be pretty easy for you to tell if Amos is selling the straight 1954 edition or has updated it with 1966 pages. Since no catalog numbers are present, my guess is that the answer is a straight reprint of the 1954 edition.