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How Would I Start / Continue To Identify This 10 Cent Jefferson?

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Posted 09/18/2017   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add thepackrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
How would I start / continue to identify this 10 cent Jefferson? By using Stampsmarter, I can eliminate a few numbers because there is no grill and there is no secret mark. So this leaves # 150, 187, 187a, 209, 209b and 290c as the possible numbers. It also appears to be perf 11.5 x 11.5 if I measured correctly. So what would my next step be? May I also say that I have no idea about the different papers….soft / hard / porous….etc. Any help is appreciated.
Thank you,
Robert

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Posted 09/18/2017   7:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Did you take a look at this Stamp Smarter page?
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa...Note10c.html

And this one on paper types?
http://www.stampsmarter.com/Learnin...erTypes.html

Don
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Posted 09/18/2017   7:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thepackrat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don. No I did not see those. I will check them out now.
Thanks,
Robert
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Posted 09/18/2017   8:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thepackrat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again for the links. If I looked at everything correctly, I should the the extremely rare # 150......(just kidding).

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think it is # 150. There is no grill, no secret mark and hard white paper. By process of elimination, this leaves only #150. Am I correct?

Thanks for your help.
Robert
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Posted 09/18/2017   8:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert... kindly post a scan of the back of the stamp...

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Posted 09/18/2017   8:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is a secret mark. Look at the top right hand scroll. That eliminates 150.
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Posted 09/18/2017   8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thepackrat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK Here is the reverse.
Thank you,
Robert

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Posted 09/18/2017   8:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If there are only four vertical lines between the oval and the edge of the shield it is a 209. There are other indicators but that is a good one. No need to see the back of the stamp. A grill would not have the crescent secret mark.
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Posted 09/18/2017   8:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thepackrat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Randall. Thanks and I do believe I see the secret mark. I need a better magnifying glass.........

So, no grill, with secret mark, and hard paper leaves me with either # 161, # 172 or # 197. Since # 172 and #197 are valuable stamps, mine must be the #161.....the most inexpensive.

But how can I be sure?

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Posted 09/18/2017   8:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thepackrat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
With a secret mark, wouldn't that eliminate # 209?

There are 5 lines between the oval and edge of shield.

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Posted 09/18/2017   8:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It comes down to the paper. The 187 can sometimes show the secret mark because ABN used Continental plates.
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Posted 09/18/2017   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thepackrat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow there is so much to learn. At least it keeps my mind busy.

Well I believe it is # 161. No grill, secret mark, hard paper and 5 weak vertical lines.

This is also under the assumption I am right on the hard/soft paper.

Thanks for all your help.
Robert
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Posted 09/18/2017   10:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Wow there is so much to learn.


The 10 cent American Bank note 187 and 188 exist in pairs. One with secret mark one without.
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Posted 09/19/2017   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thepackrat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I saw that. I would like to get a pair one day. I think it would be nice to have.
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Posted 09/19/2017   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You can download Lester Brookman's three volume work of The United States Postage Stamps of 19th Century.at the U.S. Philatelic Society Electronic Library page to get a better understanding of these stamps.

Here's a pair, 188 left and 187 right.



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Edited by littleriverphil - 09/19/2017 6:05 pm
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Posted 09/19/2017   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thepackrat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow awesome pair. I will check out that library page when I get a chance.
Thanks for posting the pic!
Robert
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