Italian States Stamps

I upload pictures of my italian states stamps, if somebody can identify and talk about autheticity, perfect.

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Both Toscana

Modena

And Italy

99.9% sure the first one is a fake just based on the dodgy cancel and crude printing. I have a set of these fakes and they look very similar.

They are all fakes ------ Your first stamp from Sicily has the wrong curve on the "S" in posta . There should be a spot of ink between the two frame lines under the "A" of POSTA .There should be a small period after Sicilia . The two bases of the "A" in SICILIA are two thin . The value "GR" has a longer stem at the bottom of the "R". There is a spot of color in between the frames under the second "L" of DELLA .
There are two different plates of the 1/2 GRANA ,in each sheet there are six retouches of this value on plate 1 . Plate II has no retouches .

On your TUSCANY ,1860 Cross of Savoy issue . Your top letting of POSTALE are too fat and should be 1 1/4 mm. high. There are five pearls in the lower part of the crown .At the center on the shield there are five lines in each of the four sets of lines that make the center cross ,the outer lines should be thicker than the 3 center lines in all four patterns of lines . All the lettering is too crude on your copy . The easys thing to spot is the top of the shield should extend out further than the shield itself ,sort of a lip on both sides . Hope this helps ,if you need further details let me known .

Maybe that is the cuestion stalzer,
Floortrader, you are wrong in some things, for example if you open the image of sicilian stamp, you can find all points in lines, about the A in Sicillia, you can compare with other genuine stamps, is exactily the same, but is posible is a fake. But Toscana is imposible to know, because the printings plates were reapired by hand and there is more diferences betwen stamps. Normaly you find broken frames, points and diferent letters in genuine stamps. What about the others one? Becaus you told all are fakes, but you only talk about 3 stamps. Can you show us the images of other stamps and identifications marks to learn something else?
I would like to know if is Spiro, sperati, segui, or other if finally is a fake.

I agree with Floortrader in that they are all fakes. Here is a link to a genuine Modena sold by Seigel auctions. Notice the huge differences. Also, for the Tuscany stamps can you see a watermark?

https://siegelauctions.com/lot_grd....ubmit=Search

Also for your Tuscany stamps see this.


http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol2...italytu2.htm

For me the Tuscany stamps are authentic.They both have the 11 control
charecteristics only found in the originals.In fact Astrakov;you did not mention anything about the Wmk.?

Put up facts or support information to show why your right . Because after you do ,I am going to prove I am right but I am going to let you prove my statement is wrong first . Your move .

Perf12, I think you are right, both toscana stamps have watermark and 11 mark are in both, and I show the back of Modena stamp, is the piece of paper wroten. In that years they dont use envelope, they write and put stamp in the paper after they fold.



floortrader, to talk is free and easy, to teach is dificult.
When you see a group of stamps, if there is a fake, not necesary all are fakes.
We are here to learn, maybe I teach you something today.
Thanks to everybody.

The scan does not show a watermark. It should show vertical interlaced lines. On the genuine stamps the vertical beam of the cross should be a little left of the axis of the letter "T", on the 20¢ it definitely looks to be to the right side.

The 11 characteristics below:
1. The top of the cross is off center towards the left of the T.
2.3 large pearls on top,5 small below(In this stamp bad inking)
3.The extremity of the shield ribbon line is in line with the base
of the crown.
4.the lowest part of the curtain fold is in line with the bottom
of the C.
5.Lower curve in the draping touching the outer white line.(In this
stamp it is hidden by the cancel)
6.The white thick line is slightly too the left & interupted below.
6.Lower white line off center.
7.Dot after S
8.lower part of the medallion decoration generaly confused
9.The height of the numerals is 1 1/4 mm.
10. 5 lines in each quadrant of the shield counting the exterior line.
11.The top of the shield in line with the top of the left B.
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Now that is pure silliness ,you take a scan of a fake stamp and drawn circles and numbers on it to prove it is real ........are you serious ? This is getting stupid make up your own description of why the scan is real . .....I need my morning coffee before I say anything more .