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Help With US Local Post/Penny Post Issues

 
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Posted 10/03/2017   4:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rich60 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have this small grouping of US Local post from an old turn of the century album. Unfortunately they were glued onto the pages but are otherwise in good condition.

What I am looking for is whether some of the are genuine. I am pretty sure that several of them are facsimilies/reproductions as they dont match the listings in Scott as to coloration and they look a little to good.

However my feeling is that the Frazer, Penny Post Paid, Carnes city Letter Express, Floyd's and the Teese's blue/white are good.

Any opinions or suggestions are welcome. US locals are not my thing and I know little or nothing beyond what is in Scott.

Thanks
Richard

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Posted 10/03/2017   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forget Scott. The best reference for these stamps is Larry Lyons' three-volume "The Identifier for Carriers, Locals, Fakes, Forgeries and Bogus Posts of the United States" (rather pricey). Your Penny Post Paid example is here identified (vol. 1 p. 151) as Forgery C of the Second Design (among other things, the original has no outer frame lines). I will look at the others as time permits.
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I believe this Floyd's Penny Post example is Forgery C (Lyons vol. 2, p. 476). This one has been forged extensively and there are lots of minutiae that characterize each type, but the fact that this example shows a mass of hair on the left side of the forehead (as seen by the observer) instead of a single strand indicates that it is a forgery of some type.
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Posted 10/03/2017   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rich60 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Dudley - I appreciate your help.
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Glad to help. The problem with using Scott's for US carriers and locals is that many of the the original entries made several decades ago were based on forgeries, and have at least in some part remained uncorrected.
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Further: Carnes' City Letter Express is Forgery B of the 1864 original (Lyons vol. 1 pp. 314-315). The facts that the ornaments in the oval are simple crosses rather than arrow-shaped segments and that the legs of the R in LETTER are set wide apart shows this.
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Posted 10/04/2017   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rich60 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow - I am really striking out. Its OK because I have nothing into them. I have a feeling now that they are all forgeries or repops. If that is the case I will sell them as such.
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