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Scott 65(I Think)with A "Paid" Cancel

 
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Posted 10/08/2017   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bobplates to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have this stamp which I believe is Sc65. Any idea if that ID is correct and does anyone know the origin of the "PAID" cancel?

Thanks in advance.

Bob

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Posted 10/08/2017   5:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hi; Pink or Rose or rose-pink makes a big difference in the price.....?
http://www.usphila.com/us/stamp/pri...t-64-page-12
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Posted 10/08/2017   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobplates to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was assuming that it was the most common shade. Frankly I have a hard time distinguishing these subtle shade variations. That said, it would be great if it were a more scarce shade. I know that scanners can "adjust" and that monitor renderings are not consistent. I scanned the stamp(in the middle) with a couple of others.

Thanks

Bob


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Posted 10/08/2017   6:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On my sreen the stamps still have a white grey hue on the white parts.The photo looks a bit under exposed thus making the stamp a bit darker.The grill stamp leans toward the rose from what I see.The middle
one looks pink rose....?
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Posted 10/08/2017   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobplates to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a scan done at 600 dpi. MFC scanner. All stamps were scanned at the same time(same page).
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Edited by bobplates - 10/08/2017 7:40 pm
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Posted 10/08/2017   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Determining any 3c 1861s from shade is virtually impossible from a computer screen.

Cancel is from Boston.
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Posted 10/08/2017   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I concur with billw2 with one minor clarification; "Determining any 3c 1861s from shade or tint is virtually impossible from a computer screen."

Color nomenclature can be confusing but 'shade' specifically means a color mixed with only black. 'Tint' is the word that means the color mixed with white.



So 'shade' is the opposite of 'tint'. 'Hue' is the term used to describe the main properties of a color. Colors are confusing just as a human topic. Adding in technology makes it more confusing.

Then top it all off with the difficulties represented by stamps which are a hundred+ years old and it the frustration levels rise even more for me.
Don
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Posted 10/08/2017   8:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobplates to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks very much. I just saw a similar listing on ebay identifying the cancel as...

"Black PM - PF12 Boxed Paid Fancy Cancel of Boston, Mass"

Not sure what that means but hey that is why I am here... to learn.

Bob
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Posted 10/09/2017   03:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your Question: Origins of the "PAID" Stamp?

Do you mean the actual hand stamp or do you mean stamping "PAID" across the stamp" as a "cancellation device" or as a separate, solo hand stamp usage marking a cover "PAID". Please advise.

Thanks,
Hal
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Posted 10/09/2017   08:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobplates to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An answer to any of those questions would be great. That said,

..separate, solo hand stamp usage marking a cover "PAID"

was what I was looking for.

Thanks

Bob
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Posted 10/10/2017   01:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bob,

Sorry for the delay in response.

The use of the marking "PAID" began appearing during the "Stampless" cover period; it appeared in manuscript or handstamp form with "PAID" commonly incorporated into the design of a town circular date-stamp to convey to the receiving post office that postal fees were "PAID".

The "PAID" marking in question is identified as "PM-PF 12" used in BOSON, MASSACHUSETTS as early as 1861, illustrated on page 323 (see below) of "UNITED STATES CANCELLATIONS 1845-1869" by Hubert C. Skinner and Amos Eno, © 1980 Hubert C. Skinner, published by the American Philatelic Society, Inc., State College, PA.



The marking is a fairly common marking. On cover, the straight-line "PAID" strike is normally found with found with a red or black "BOSTON, MASS." double-circle c.d.s. cancellation. (See example below -not my cover).




Hope that answers the questions on the markings.

Best,
Hal
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Posted 10/10/2017   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobplates to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hal

Thanks very much for that very clear exposition. I have learned something new today!

Bob
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