France Ceres Proof Specimen ??

In old clasic collection I find this stamp Ceres Specimen 15 c in proof black colour on cardboard paper? I not find about it in any book and catalog, if anybody know something about that?

Hi; The first time I've seen an essay like this on a Ceres overprinted "specimen".
They a more common on Napoleon III stamps;of coarse if the overprint
is real...(have to do more research)..

This seems too be an 1855 trial proof.Some others below.The Specimen overprint was possibly stamped at a later date.
pic 1 Ceres black trial proof of 1871 with Ceres black 15c.
pic 2 Ceres proof or "essay" large margins.

Sorry for my english , i'll try to do my best .
1- this is what look Like the nº 2 ( 15c - CERES 1849 Green ) print on 1950 Maybe a print test ..?
But ...
2 - the overprint " spécimen" first use was on the " empire dentelé" série , (1862) and never before this date .
And ...
3 -the " print police " is not the right one .. The -p- capital letter as not the good morph ...

So .... Something funny , usefull for learning , but notting collectable ... You could find things Like this on ebay ..for a € or 2

The size of the "15" is not thé same ... Big 15 is the 1873 issue , small 15 first is From 1850 .
The small 15 second édition ,the 1871 issue is pretty used than the 1850 .. But this '' spécimen '' overprint is the ''type A '' and did not exist on a ceres , only on a Napoléon .

May we have the size of this oveprint ? ( métrique système , lol )

i find this stamp in one serious old collection, and print of Cerse face is original trial colour but specimen I never see...

Derwins please can you put a link where you saw this specimen ceres stamp on ebay?

I have never seen these stamps, The size of a stamp is normal like original on cardboard paper, it probably has a large margin but is cut off .... You can also indicate which literature wrote about a specimen on Napoleon stamps? (also sorry for not good english)

And what about the overprint " spécimen " size .?

Try tº find this book : " Marianne 1849/1900, catalogue encyclopédique ." written by Brun/Françon/Storch . Éd. Timbropresse sa.
I'll try tº find something Like this on selling web site .

Size overprint is 16 mm - 3 mm

But just one simple thing ... Dont forget that :
Trials may have différent colors ...but
spécimen are always finish stamps ..always in the right color ...so you'll never find à black trial overprint " spécimen" in the official issues . . .
So , it may be one of the ''Maury cie '' or a private test .. Maybe something very old for collections ... But Never something ''true , authentic and official From the french postal administration

Ok 16,5mm/3mmis the "À "size ... (The Napoléon yVert and Tellier nº 19 => 32 .)
The nº33/35(Napoléon ) and 50=>60 (ceres 1871/1872)are bigger .17mm/ 5mm

Derwins

Bonjour. Can this be a proof of the 1871 Ceres (small figures), which Yvert lists as existing in black? But that does not help with the "Specimen" overprint.

Geoff

yes I also think it is not from the french offical postal administration it is some old trial ...

Yes , the " old" proof From 1850 is thé same matériel for thé "young " 1871 proof ...but à bit used ...
This trial look Like the old one for me . ( notting but a feeling ,maybe am I wrong) .
Both does exist in black ..yes ...
And à lot à differents issues ... Ink color test, ink quality test , paper test , mise en train ( sorry dont know the wordmaybe something like " inprint test "
There're à lot of trial ... Thé problem for this one is the overprint , on a black stamp .
that's why I frits said " something to cross a ligne " ( in french : boucher une case )
Maybe you should ask to à French expert ( Jf brun , Jf brun philatélie , easy tº find on the internet )

Yes an old trial but an old private trial ... This is the problem ...
I CAN do sole trial too ... And waiting for à century , it Will always be à private trial ... With nô value .!.
Interesting but no value

And now , if you dont know what it is .. You know what is not is ...lol