Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Pony Express, Somebody Know How To Authetify?

Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 19 / Views: 6,189Next Topic
Page: of 2
Valued Member

Spain
93 Posts
Posted 10/30/2017   11:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Astrakov to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Pony express, somebody know how to authetify?

One of mines


Send note to Staff

Pillar Of The Community
United States
3224 Posts
Posted 10/30/2017   4:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. All types are known, so it comes down to matching the characteristics and confirming it. There are 10 types for the one dollar plus differences for the reprints.

Sorry, but having done that, this is a fake and not even a reprint. Also, Pony Express stamps are not as pale and weakly printed as what I see on my computer.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1566 Posts
Posted 10/30/2017   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is this the best scan you can provide? It looks out of focus or soft plus a very muted color.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Spain
93 Posts
Posted 10/30/2017   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Astrakov to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is a problem of my scanner, ill take and upload a picture or better scanner. The real color is hard than this.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Spain
93 Posts
Posted 10/30/2017   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Astrakov to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This one look more like my original stamp

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Spain
93 Posts
Posted 10/30/2017   6:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Astrakov to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you prefer I can make better quality or a picture.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
139 Posts
Posted 10/31/2017   08:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nl1947 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The image has the characteristics of the genuine especially in the 1 and around the horse's mouth. Other required traits cannot be seen with this image quality.
It is not a reprint - the horse's mouth is wide open and the shading lines near the mouth would be missing.



This scan above is a genuine $1 L43L3 to compare
Although it has good value, yours is nowhere near the ~$900 listed for an unused copy as it is trimmed into the frame.

There are a LOT of forgeries ranging from good to very crude.

BTW scanners are rarely the issue, it is 99.9% technique and software
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by nl1947 - 10/31/2017 08:28 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
3224 Posts
Posted 11/01/2017   12:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
nll947, could you tell me what plate position or type this is? I can't identify the type. Also, yours looks engraved or typographed from the scan; the originals are finely lithographed.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Spain
93 Posts
Posted 11/02/2017   1:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Astrakov to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A friend is looking the stamp, in two or three days ill have again with me and ill try to take a picture with macro objetive. We talk soon.
Thanks and regards.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
6326 Posts
Posted 11/02/2017   1:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Larry Lyons' 3 volume work "The Identifier for Carriers, Locals, Fakes, Forgeries and Bogus Posts of the United States" details the reprints, fakes and forgeries of this issue. Not an inexpensive set of books, but a wise investment for anyone interested in carriers and locals. It will pay for itself very fast.

And better for your purposes in this case, the Siegel website has Scott Trepel's "Wells Fargo & Company 1861 Pony Express Issues", which details the individual plate positions of the genuine stamps.

https://siegelauctions.com/enc/pdf/Pony_Stamps.pdf
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by John Becker - 11/02/2017 1:50 pm
Valued Member
Spain
93 Posts
Posted 11/09/2017   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Astrakov to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello again, my 1$ red pony express is genuine, that is the dictamen of the expert, but my others no. I upload a piture of red, and others.

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Spain
93 Posts
Posted 11/09/2017   08:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Astrakov to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply




Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
3224 Posts
Posted 11/11/2017   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After more research, Astrakov's example does have the line/blur below "AR" that is characteristic of pos.s L14, L16, R14, and also the blur above it. It's not L14 as it does not have "line in scroll".

In Trepel's article and what I have (B&W), the stop/erased "S"s are pretty distinctive by position, and pretty accurately photographed, I thought. This can't be R14 for that reason. But while they are close, Trepel's L16 and Astrakov's didn't and still don't match to my eye. The line/blur should be pretty definitive, though, as is the overall design better seen in the later scan, so I defer to the expert.

Thanks for showing the fakes -- it gives us a good reference.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
901 Posts
Posted 03/14/2019   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gettinold to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Have this crude reproduction of a one dollar Pony Express stamp. On the reverse is typed Shadyside Fall Festival. Dated September 1936. I'm guessing it was given out as a Souvenir to those who attended.






Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
Australia
38679 Posts
Posted 03/14/2019   9:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would they be scouting icons, maybe?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
12551 Posts
Posted 03/14/2019   9:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I saw Tommy Dorsey at that festival while experiencing reefer madness.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Previous TopicReplies: 19 / Views: 6,189Next Topic  
Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.2 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05