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Need Help 1971 Japanes 500 Mon Stamp Real Or Fake

 
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Posted 11/26/2017   12:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cavalier to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey guys, I was recently given a fairly old album full of stamps that are mostly pre 1900 and have been looking for any rarities within it when I came upon these. Any advice on whether they appear genuine or fake would be appreciated as iv read of a fair few forgeries, only reason I think they might be real is there are no modern stamps in the album and I assume the forgeries where made later on.



The stamp in question is the left hand one as its clearer although any advice on either is appreciated.
cheers
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Posted 11/26/2017   01:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
not my area, but compared to these http://www.stampcircuit.com/categor...sues-500-mon it doesn't look good. the font/lettering looks off, as well as the spikes on the dragon tails.
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Posted 11/26/2017   03:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TangStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They are both reference copies. You should be able to see the two extra characters "#21442;#32771;" at the top or bottom of the character "#38065;".
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Posted 11/26/2017   04:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just to follow up the observations made by TangStamps;



(I have rotated the image of right stamp 180 degrees)

Please note that during the old days people wrote from right to left, as opposed to today's manner.

These kinds of small inscriptions are often found in Dragon and Cherry Blossom forgeries, and quite easy to identify.

- Hironobu
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Edited by unechan - 11/26/2017 04:55 am
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Posted 11/26/2017   05:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cavalier to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well that's certainly disappointing to hear, there's a lot of stamps for me to go through and now I have to question if each one is real.
Thanks heaps for the answers, much faster than I expected.
Cheers
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Posted 11/26/2017   9:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Compare with existing pictures of genuine and note the two little characters that do not appear on the pictures of real stamps. There are two different "sets" of two characters, from what are called "signed" forgeries here:
http://www.isjp.org/Forgeries

These stamps are fakes made up for sale stuck on decorated sheets sold to tourists. Those sheets mixed genuine cheap stamps with fakes plus cut squares from postal stationery, all glued down. There are quite a lot of these with even cheap stamps forged. Even the intact sheets are around:
http://www.michaelrogersinc.com/Mic...ticle-1.html
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Edited by hy-brasil - 11/26/2017 10:00 pm
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Posted 11/27/2017   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some of the forgeries are pretty straightforward to identify (using the very informative links provided by hy-brasil), but there also seems to be forgeries that even specialist do suffer to distinguish. There are some examples, entitled "Skillful Forgeries" in Japan Stamp Auction's Web page. I personally am pretty sure that I would be totally deceived if I came up with one of these skillful masterpiece. Maybe a careful look at the cancellations might help, but this also needs a deep knowledge of the diverse cancellations used at that period.

http://www.japan-stamp.com/wp-conte...emono003.pdf

Cavalier, I would love to see any further examples you'd like to verify, so I am looking forward to your future posts !

- Hironobu
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Edited by unechan - 11/27/2017 09:33 am
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Posted 11/27/2017   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TangStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hmm, the Japanese/Chinese character I entered didn't show. But they are honest fakes and easy to tell.
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Posted 11/28/2017   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ekbustad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
hmm, the Japanese/Chinese character I entered didn't show. But they are honest fakes and easy to tell.


Yes, only characters in the "Latin 1" character set will work on this site. See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-1
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