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Is This Spink Lot 1638 (Scott# 39) Mint?

 
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Posted 12/05/2017   1:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add smauggie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
It doesn't look like it to me.

What do you think?

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Posted 12/05/2017   2:01 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's described as unused, with small thinned spots, rather than mint. There appear to be a couple of tone spots to the surface.

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Posted 12/05/2017   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Geoff, what is the difference between mint and unused?
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Posted 12/05/2017   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mint = some part original gum?
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Posted 12/05/2017   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To me it looks like faded writing in the upper right hand corner. I see the letter a northeast of the E of Postage.
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Posted 12/05/2017   3:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A stamp designated only as "Unused" from this era, should be assumed to have no-gum.

If it had gum, it would be explicitly called out as: OG, part OG, etc.

I'm sure it has been discussed ad-nauseum, but mint tends to imply post-office issuance state. i.e. full OG, never hinged, and so on.
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Thanks txstamp. Where did you get that information? Is that what the Scott catalog says?
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With regard to Unused, yes, in Scott there is a date before which Unused implies no-gum. OG carries a premium - potentially very significant. I forget the exact words, or the exact time frame -- but I'm sure for the issue in question that it absolutely applies.
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In GB, "unused" means uncancelled, no gum, "mint" means some original gum, but either hinged or gum disturbed, and "unmounted mint" means what Americans call "mint never hinged" - or some call "mint"! The French terms are pretty much the same as those in GB - neuf, neuf sans charnier and neuf sans gomme, i.e. mint or neuf is always qualified if there is either full gum or no gum.
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Posted 12/05/2017   5:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
left side of the stamp is suspect for a reperf
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It's toned. This is one of the few stamps that you have to be aware of fake cancels on as genuinely used examples are far scarcer and worth far more than unused.
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Posted 12/05/2017   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone.
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Scott specialized indicates all their terminology is in reference to the gum.

They list;

NH - Never hinged
OG - Original gum
Disturbed original gum
RG- Regummed

The only spot they show the term "mint" in the gum categories is for Never hinged and follows as is;

Category - Mint N.H.
Mint never hinged. Free from any disturbance

Category - Original gum (O.G.)
Lightly hinged. Faint impression of a removed hinge over a small area
Hinge mark or remnant. Prominent hinged spot; may have part or all of the hinge remaining
Large part o.g. - Approximately half or more of the original gum intact
Small part o.g. - Approximately less than half or more of the original gum intact

Category - No gum
NG - No gum, only if issued with gum.

The Farley issues without gum (as issued) state "without gum", browsed through 20 or so pages of pre-1900 listings and do not see anything for "unused"


This is per Scott specialized 2017.


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