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1c 1851 Plate 2 Stamps

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Posted 04/13/2023   10:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Widglo, what do you think about 41R2?
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Posted 04/14/2023   03:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add widglo46 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi dudley - Thanks for responding. The interest in 1˘ Franklin plate threads seemed to have dropped off significantly.

I don't think you've ever given me a recommendation that proved to be wrong, and I don't think this is any exception. I found the inconsistencies in plate marks on well documented examples of both 21R2 and 41 R2 very frustrating, so I turned my attention to an exact comparison in the position of the guide dot. After aligning and sizing the known examples as best I could and comparing them to my patient, I could see that the guide dot on 21R2 is definitely higher than on my patient. So 41R2 is what it must be. Thanks again! #129299;
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Posted 04/14/2023   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The interest in 1˘ Franklin plate threads seemed to have dropped off significantly.


Eventually I'll get some bigger blocks of time to spend on stamps.
Life has been pretty crazy for about the last year...
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Posted 04/21/2023   7:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
14-15-16R2



14R was one of 4 missing positions on Dick's plating.
Now down to 3.
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Edited by txstamp - 04/21/2023 7:51 pm
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Posted 04/21/2023   8:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
tx, can you specify what those missing positions are?
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Posted 04/21/2023   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 09/20/2023   12:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Positions 1-2R2.

Nothing special, but Dick's plating had 1R2 only on cover, so, rather than soak it, I found a suitable one for mounting in his plating.
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Posted 10/05/2023   10:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



This strip is 26-27-28R2. All Type II, Scott #7.

It shows a lot of why I have always enjoyed the 1c stamp.

1) Even though it is not a 4-margin gem strip, and is otherwise imperfect, I find it aesthetically attractive, in that its a very nice printing from plate 2. The engraving of the 1c stamp, I personally find to be quite beautifully done. The delicate ornamentation, and the fragile nature of some of the design over time due to wear, incomplete transferring or plate finishing makes the end result interesting and highly variable. They aren't all the same.

2) Each of the three stamps has outstanding plating marks, making each, individually, quite simple to plate. Note the distinctive markings in the "O" of ONE in the bottom label. There are frequent issues in this area, particularly on plates 2 & 3, and often provide good clues for plating.

3) The guide dot on 28R2 is way low to the right. My other 28R2 which is cut more normally at bottom does not show the dot. Note that the 27R2 dot is also low and not visible even here. The 8R column and its guide dots are a very interesting study, ending, believe it or not, in position 99R2, and also the big double transfer: 89R2. 48R2 is also a big double transfer. Coincidence? No. The plate was entered vertically from top to bottom, and even 8R2 is a double transfer - at top left its visible. If you look at guide dots for 28-48-68-88 you see a pattern in some of those positions of extremely low-placed guide dots. These dots were used to guide the entry of the 9R column. So it should be no surprise, that when they got to the bottom, they had mostly run out of room and were way out of alignment. This caused them to reset and re-enter part of 89R2 and to re-enter and short transfer 99R2. A big mess. So this strip, with the nice wide cut at bottom right plays into the 99R2 story. Kind of cool actually. Yet another reason I enjoy this item and stamp issue.

4) Milwaukee CDS - with the modern spelling of Milwaukee. Around this time frame it was also known as Milwaukie.

5) Last, is the top of the strip, which is why I posted the back. That sure looks like a privately applied method of separation / perforations to me. Either private rouletting, or sewing machine applied perforations. Its definitely not normal manual tearing apart, nor is it scissor-separated. Only at top.

There can be lots to enjoy from collecting this issue.
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Posted 10/05/2023   10:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I should add that the low guide dot on 27R2 also likely contributed to the large double transfer on 48R2. Positions 38-48R - relief A-B would have been entered together, guided by the dot from 27R, which was way low - clearly.

Fun stuff, when you step back from it, very definite patterns emerge.
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Posted 10/06/2023   02:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add widglo46 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
txstamp - that's a great strip. I appreciate your in-depth comments that often go even beyond what Neinken has written.
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Posted 10/25/2023   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TX, can you post just 28R?

Pretty sure this is a match?



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Edited by stallzer - 10/25/2023 5:48 pm
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Posted 10/25/2023   6:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Pretty sure this is a match?


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Posted 10/26/2023   09:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TY Dudley.
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Posted 10/26/2023   10:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. No question that is 28R2.

ON of ONE markings match perfectly.
O of Postage same.
U of US.
Guide dot.
left side ornament completeness looks good.

Nice to get a tall perforated stamp that shows most of the top and still shows that low guide dot.
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I made an attempt to plate this. I found too many that came close. The closest I found is 41L2 (previous owner indicated plate 2)

Thoughts?

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