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1c 1851 Plate 2 Stamps

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Posted 03/06/2024   5:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Doug, I got your Plate 2 scans downloaded. I will start working on them when I finish the detail images for plate 1 late right pane. Thank you.
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Posted 11/12/2024   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Going through a couple i'm looking at maybe 89L2?

Am I seeing the 9th row "Dingle"?



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Posted 11/13/2024   03:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add widglo46 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stalizer - The guide dot looks like a very close match for 89L2, but I don't understand why the bottom frame line is so weak. It looks almost broken, and this isn't the case for 89L2 (Siegel has a strip with 89L2 in sale 1260, lot 29).

I am wondering if your stamp isn't 83L1E. Comparing yours with Doporto's example, in addition to the weak frame line and guide dot, there are also several small dots in the "U" and "S" that match your stamp. It looks like there was a very slight double transfer at this position (I'm looking at the "O" in ONE, too.)
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Posted 11/13/2024   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. It certainly looks good from the guide dots and bottom frame. I do not see the blurry line between ornaments U and S as show on Neinkens drawing and on the Doporto site.
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Edited by stallzer - 11/13/2024 6:18 pm
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Posted 04/07/2025   12:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This strip is positions: 33-34-35L2.

At the left top of 33L2, you can faintly see the plate 2 crack extending downwards into 33L from 23L above it. It is vertical, between the "S" of US, and the "P" of POSTAGE.



As a 1c specialist, I have always viewed 33L2 as an important stamp to obtain, in order to get a complete reconstruction of the full plate crack. Many reconstructions do not include this position, as its hard to find. The crack in it does not stand out clearly - especially in early impressions where its hard to see, if there at all.

This particular strip, came from the following crack reconstruction:


That was my old plate 2 crack reconstruction which I parted with when I sold my 1c collection in 2005. A dealer recently broke it up and I saw the 33L2 strip online and I grabbed it, as the rest of the positions are easy enough to find. I will probably make a new reconstruction over time with this for fun.

For whatever its worth to the 0-1 reader(s) out there that might be curious, that crack reconstruction I obtained from my old friend Wilson Hulme. He had a way of finding nice 1c items that I wanted, and then using them to extract 3c material in my collection that he wanted. Wilson was a resourceful guy.
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Posted 04/07/2025   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tx, congrats from the underbidder on getting that strip.
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Posted 04/07/2025   2:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi dudley. You have a good eye for varieties.
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Posted 04/07/2025   7:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
32L2, 33L2, 34L2 perf



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Posted 04/07/2025   7:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What a nice item!

33L2 perforated is rare and almost impossible to find.

I had one in a full perf crack reconstruction, but I have seen very few others outside of that one.

Congrats and thanks for sharing.
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Posted 04/08/2025   6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Odd that the Scott Catalogue values 33L2 lower than the other plate 2 crack positions. I guess most collectors don't bother including it in reconstructions of the large plate crack.
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Posted 07/28/2025   07:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add widglo46 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I notice that Rick includes 28R2 as a double transfer in his database on StampSmarter. Neinken doesn't list it amongst the 18 in his book, however, and I couldn't find any other source that includes it. Is it perhaps a minor double transfer?
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Posted 07/28/2025   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi - it probably came from this article -

https://chronicle.uspcs.org/PDF/Chr...42/21176.pdf

Figures 9 and 12, text on page 133.

The 8R column is definitely an interesting one. I alluded to it here:

https://goscf.com/t/58151&whichpage=14#789214

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Posted 11/07/2025   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


This is position 1L2.

It shows evidence of a prior entry above the stamp design.
There are lots of small cracks to the left of the stamp as well.
All of this is probably related to the big crack - adjacent at 2L2 and downward.

This is an outstanding 1c Plate position, Scott #7, Ty II so I was happy to get a margin corner copy in spite of obvious condition issues.

ex-Boyd
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Posted 11/07/2025   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


This is 94-95-96R2. All Ty II, #7.

The main thing to note about this strip is basically personal - with this (pos 96R) I have now completed Dick Celler's Plate 2 reconstruction that I obtained when he passed away some years ago now.

Pos 96R2, although a bottom row stamp, it doesn't show a lot in the way of plating marks. So, I solved that by waiting for an easy to plate multiple.

Dick was close - missing 4 positions, and he had a few others on cover only (which is still the case for me). I have since found those 4 positions and I also found a position he only had on cover - with a new off-cover copy - but one of the missing positions I found only on-cover, so I'm back to 3 positions on-cover.

At some point, I'll try to get a picture of the reconstruction posted.
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Posted 11/07/2025   2:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add widglo46 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulations Mark! what you've done is quite an achievement. I'm sure you must have looked at thousands of 1˘ Franklins to complete the task.
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