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Newfoundland 254 Diagonal Lines

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Posted 12/23/2017   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Partime to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
First, I will admit that I don't yet have the Newfoundland Specialized Stamp Catalog. But I do have a bunch of these stamps (and I did sleep in a Motel 6 many years ago ..)

This interesting phenomena caught my eye. There seems to be a very sharp diagonal line in several of my stamps, and some copies appear to be constant. They don't look like a ductor blade line, and not an Engraver's slip. Does anyone have a clue?

The first is a picture of a very long line, through two stamps.


These two pictures are two different stamps, showing a constant line variety.



The last picture shows a line that is not diagonal, yet curves. I have two copies of this one also. (One example shown with red lines surrounding the curve.)


Thanks for looking and would appreciate any comments.
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Posted 12/23/2017   7:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A fiber on the plate?
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Posted 12/23/2017   9:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, too long, too straight to be a fiber. Also, I don't think a fiber can exactly repeat, as in the two examples I posted. Something else. I have about 20 examples now (out of a search of 3000+ example stamps).
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Posted 12/23/2017   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lines look like plate scratches. Hopefully, a Newfoundland specialist can tell you what position this is.
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Plate scratches.

As a matter of quality and pride, these marks would not have been present when the platemakers made the plates. Having found confirming copies of the same position rules out transient causes. Not consistent with plate cracks. That leaves progressive scratches on the plate as it was "sent to press" multiple times over its lifetime as additional printings were needed. Interesting how these all run from NE to SW, like a plate cleaner had a bit of grit caught in his wiping cloth as he systematically passed across the plate - although granted, these likely came from different plates.
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Plate scratches sounds correct. I have some examples with more than one scratch, including this example which has scratches in opposite directions, forming a V at the bottom of the stamp.
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Here are two examples of stamps that have similar marks. The marks on my stamps are called Plate Cracks and Plate Scratches.

The first is the most obvious in the upper left corner. There is a diagonal plate scratch. The stamp also has the Major Re-entry in other parts of the design.

The 2nd stamp has a faint mark in the upper left margin and central right margin. The mark in the right margin carries on to the next stamp to the right. This is the 3rd image.

Notice that your 2nd and 3rd image stamps also have a strong mark in front of the King's chin. This could be evidence that something heavy was dropped on the plate to make these marks; like the transfer roll or another plate. I think all of these variety type stamps would be most interesting to collectors of these varieties and especially to a Newfoundland collector.



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Posted 12/31/2017   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jimjung, thanks for your beautiful pictures. Quite the plate scratch on that re-entry. Lovely!


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Notice that your 2nd and 3rd image stamps also have a strong mark in front of the King's chin. This could be evidence that something heavy was dropped on the plate to make these marks; like the transfer roll or another plate.


I have several other copies with a strong mark located somewhere in the design. I may post them elsewhere, but here is another interesting version, of which I have multiple copies.



So, the thought is something large / hard dropped on the plate, causing an indention which filled with a small amount of ink on subsequent copies? I wonder if this is listed with any value?
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Looks like a drop of ink fell on the sheet and got squished. I dont think it has anything to with the plate itself.

Interested in seeing a close up in the A of Newfoundland at the top though.

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Interested in seeing a close up in the A of Newfoundland at the top though


Is this what your referring to Trodent..?
If so Trodent, be careful..I got beat up on that one...haha

Robert


https://goscf.com/t/56013&SearchTer...wfoundland,a

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Wert, since you link to the last post, I wanted to mention that the most stunning feature of the Newfoundlans stamps you showed are the different lower tip of the L, with one extending significantly upward...
Happy New year, and keep posting. We always enjoy reading your posts
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Gilles..Thanks buddy..All the best this year to you and your family my friend.

Robert
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Posted 01/07/2018   3:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
partime,

thanks for sharing, as some may know, I collect only Newfoundland and have the NSSC.

short answer, is they are interesting, but I do not know.

i don't see it listed anywhere, but on the other hand, there are millions of these around (i have hundreds) and there are probably a million sitting at motel 6s in canada as we speak. point being, probably no one has looked that closely. its sort of a fly specking thing (not meant in bad way), but with such a low value and so many others to focus on, its unexplored.

i'd probably just note it in the files as a plate, or printing error of some kind.

thanks

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I lost track of this thread and missed some of the comments. I'm on vacation now, away from my stamps. I'll be able to post more interesting close ups in a few weeks. The most interesting thing is the repetitive inks splotches, and some examples of plate scratch progression. Thanks for the comments.

Aloha (so you can more easily figure out my vacation destination).
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Posted 01/07/2018   4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trodent to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
no Wert not the broken A in 255 , Partimes post on Dec 31st with the blotch in the lower right. If you look at the same stamp. Look at the A in Newfoundland.
I would like to see a better scan of that Partime

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Trident, I will post that. But from what I can remember, there is a small mark in that area, consistent with all of my copies with the small ink blotch in the bottom right corner.
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