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Norway, WW2 "London" Printings

 
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Posted 01/15/2018   2:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Tim H to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here's a set I promised some users that I would post. During German occupation in WW2, the Norwegian government in exile in London authorised the issue of a set of stamps to be used on mail posted at sea on Norwegian ships. The stamps were printed by in London by De La Rue and issued between January 1943 and June 1945.

Part of the purpose of showing this set is to seek some advice (expert or otherwise) on the cancels. I believe that the 15, 30, 40 and 60 ore shown below are commercially used, but if anyone can offer their opinion on these I'd be grateful

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Posted 01/15/2018   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DBakken to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.frimerkehuset.no/fcm/auk57/774.jpg

The cancel are from Norwegians Ships. They was used on mainland after the war
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Posted 01/16/2018   02:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you!
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Posted 01/18/2018   6:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Tim - I've been so occupied making album pages lately so I missed your thread until now. Beautiful stamps, and very interesting postmarks.

- The 15ø, 30ø, 40ø and 60ø all have a peculiar squared rubber cancel 'Handelsflåten' (Merchant navy) that was used on hundreds of Norwegian ships.
Background:
During WW2 more or less all Norwegian vessels were united and administered in what was to become the largest shipping company til date (Notraships). This merchant fleet transported war material for the allied cause, and many thousand Norwegian sailors lost heir lives when sunk by German wolf packs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortraship
The British politician Philip Noel-Baker, Baron Noel-Baker, commented after the war:
Quote:
The first great defeat for Hitler was the battle of Britain. It was a turning point in history. If we had not had the Norwegian fleet of tankers on our side, we should not have had the aviation spirit to put our Hawker Hurricanes and our Spitfires into the sky. Without the Norwegian merchant fleet, Britain and the allies would have lost the war


So much for the Notraships / Handelsflåten. Each of the 'Handelsflåten' postmarks had a number identifying the particular ship, but unfortunately the rubberstamps were also misused for philatelic purpose after the war. Use google translate on this discussion thread for some relevant info about the 'Handelsflåten' postmark.
http://www.frankering.com/group/jer...ndelsflaaten
btw, almost similar boxed rubber stamps were also used in 'Marinen' (the navy), so the two might easily be confused.

- The postmarks on 5ø and 7ø are more interesting in my opinion. I believe those are ship marks from ships that did not have the common 'Handelsflåten' mark, or at least they used separate ship marks in addition to the rubberstamp. I cannot make out any ship names tough.

About the London stamp series itself, the following note is google translated from a Norwegian stamp catalog:

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"London Markets - Propaganda for Exile Government.
Why does not the Norwegian exile government in London do the same as the Polish? Issue your own stamps to promote the free thing of Norway! Such a request was sent to the Norwegian Information Office in London during the war. "Based on a propaganda point of view, the importance of the measure can hardly be overestimated. One gets the chance to do each only Norwegian letter abroad for a living propaganda for the free matter of Norway! "the office continued. The Ministry of Trade, which in turn examined whether the exile government had the opportunity to publish and use
own stamps when it resided in a foreign country. The result of the survey became such a stamp series could be used exclusively on Norwegian territory, but both Norwegian warships and merchant ships could be considered as as long as they stayed in open sea.
Thus the foundation was laid for the so-called London stamps, (catalog number 331-338), which would remind the free Norway and the effort Norwegians made for us and the other occupied lands to remain free. January 1, 1943, the values #8203;#8203;ranged from 1O to 60 øre, and the marks were diligently used throughout series by letter, especially from ships in the merchant fleet. As an extra propaganda, 4000 was over-stamped "London 17/5/43" and a control number from 1-4000. The most of these sets came to Norway during the war and should be sold for income for the resistance movement."
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Posted 01/18/2018   7:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice. Here is an article in The Posthorn with the cancels depicted, and a numerical list of ships. At least what was known as of 1957, when the article was published.

http://www.scc-online.org/old/OldAr...e%2014-2.pdf
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Edited by Cjd - 01/18/2018 7:30 pm
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Posted 01/18/2018   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Collin - thanks, that list is a good reference!
Where did you find that 'Posthorn'?
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Posted 01/18/2018   8:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You'll have better luck getting a dog to walk past a fire hydrant than getting me to walk past a list of numeral cancels. I bookmark (and download, when practical) all that I can find.

(Do Norwegian dogs relieve themselves on fire hydrants?)
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Posted 01/18/2018   8:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Haha, yes they do - and this Norwegian collector is the same as you, cannot walk by any list of numeral cancels or similar. Your Pdf downloaded for future reference

Numeral cancels - talking of which - do you have full lists over numeral cancels for Australian states?
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Posted 01/18/2018   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a handful of different lists gathered from different places. Some duplicated efforts, and perhaps not all? My (new) goal for 2018 is to figure out what I have and actually catalogue what it is, and where it is.

My only 2018 resolution was to flip through Vols 1-44 of Billigs, so that I know what is in there. As of this point, I'm behind schedule.
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Posted 01/19/2018   05:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hahaha, this sounds familiar! Hope you manage it all. Maybe you can be the one to ask if I cannot find a list of numerals for any given country elsewhere. Good luck with you goal
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Posted 01/19/2018   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Cjd for this interesting link and reference. Savved in Favourites !
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Posted 01/19/2018   11:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Colin, many thanks for posting this link. It's been filed away for future reference!
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Posted 01/20/2018   11:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barbu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Colin/CJD: Amazing how you have such picant information up in your sleeves as the Posthorn magazine with the list of the ship cancels! Now I am really looking forward to go back to that series (though I guess Norway will be many many years down the line!
Many thanks for sharing.
Jens
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