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Is This A Cilicia Stamp?

 
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Posted 01/18/2018   2:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Dave 1941 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This stamp has the T.E.O. that one finds on stamps of Cilicia but this stamp does not have the word "Cilicia" overprinted on it. Is it a Cilicia error or something else?
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Posted 01/18/2018   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't see a match in Scott, so I checked Yvert. It sure looks like it would be Cilicia Yv58, but as you say, it is missing the "cilicie". Your T.E.O. isn't so low that the rest of the overprint would fall off the bottom of the stamp.
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Posted 01/18/2018   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DCStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is Cilicia Scott #88, it does not have the Cilicia. I will check my Max Mayo book to see if he mentions such an error.

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Posted 01/18/2018   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think Cilicie was simply ommited. Scarce variety !
TEO & Cilicie were overprinted seperately..
Differences in the Block below,they line up differently in
all 4 stamps.

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Posted 01/18/2018   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a overprint on a newspaper stamp ,Scott 88, missing the Cilicia overprint .There are a lot of different varieties in these overprints .
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Posted 01/18/2018   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perf 12 ----That scan has a different color or is that the scanner ? Where did you get the picture .
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Posted 01/18/2018   4:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the stamps from my collection .
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Posted 01/18/2018   4:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dave 1941 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I took the picture and it is a accurate color rendition. Is this listed anywhere as an error?
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Posted 01/18/2018   4:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DCStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Checked Mayo. I don't see a "missing" Cilicia variety, however, he does discuss that these presses were pretty unreliable and there are lots of varieties. One variation,(type m), Mayo designates as a reversal, where Cilicia is above the T.E.O. This might be one such variety. where it was printed in the stamp above.

Mayo does talk about the frustration of the printers in that "Throughout the run, this Cilicie appears to fall apart, reassemble, re-inforce, wiggle, drop some letters, and finally, probably in exasperation, the pressman took a mallet to the type, scratching the first four letters."
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Posted 01/18/2018   5:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mine have problems with the overprints .
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Posted 01/18/2018   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dave -- I was asking PERF 12 the question because his is a tan/ brown colored stamp not like yours or my two .
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Posted 01/18/2018   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DCStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I found the variety

In Max Mayo's book he lists a series of varieties for these stamps, included a Cilicia omitted. so

5pa on 2pa olive green (13V2mm, 10 x 2) (12)*
b. double overprint
be. double Cilicie
bt. double T.E.O·
bv. double overprint, one inverted
nc. Cilicie omitted
nep. vertical pair; 136 + 136nc
nt. T.E.O.omitted
ntp. vertical pair; 136 + 136nt
ob. double blue "5" overprint
obb. treble blue "5" overprint
rb. double red tughra overprint
v. inverted overprint

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Posted 01/18/2018   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
T.E.O. over top inscription

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Posted 01/18/2018   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work digging up the Mayo listing. The description of the printers' efforts is priceless.

For anyone who checks later, Yv 58 and Sc 88 are the same stamp. Neither of their Classic catalogues lists the omitted cilicie.
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Posted 01/19/2018   11:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dave 1941 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everybody.
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