US #2 Washinton 10 Cents Pair, Essay Or Proof?

And the context of that thread is to not buy from him, that he is committing fraud
https://goscf.com/t/54909

Don

Edit: People typically are careful about posting about this seller because he is renown for sending out letters threatening to sue them. It is all a bunch of crap.

I figured as much but unfortunately read that after the purchase.

However, if he is a member of these two organizations he should have to be held to their ethics and standards.

Selling an item as genuine in the listing title and description would be a violation if the item is indeed not genuine.

No sweat off my back, I know ill get the money back.

After receiving the items discussed above it is clear there is major size difference between an actual number 2 and the item described as a proof. I fear that it may be as stated previously a crude facsimile.

Here are some hi-res shots maybe you guys can give me your final thoughts on the matter.

The pair looks completely redrawn. It is not only taller, but the proportions seems to be different, it is almost square.The oval around George looks almost circular.

The hairline in George is very different. The shading under the neck is darker on the pair.

And I agree, the print quality does not seem very good at all.

On the swedishtiger website there is a section on us forgeries. I found some similarities in the image that is on the right hand which is indicated to be an original, notice the rounder oval as mentioned above. Very confused.

My mind hasn't been changed.

I'd put the replicas in the 10c box for kids to fill the spot in the album.

The papers of the 10c 1847 should be a gray or gray-blue. This is a Willcox handmade currency paper and is quite distinctive. Very hard to replicate even for the best of forgers.

The paper of the Separti forgery seems a bit washed-out to me, probably because the original image was chemically washed. Although the paper is the proper type, it does not appear to have that distinctive color.

Ok so I promised everyone that I would update about this thread so here goes:

The fine gentlemen over at the PF advised me that these pairs were in their opinion not worth expertizing.

In all fairness, the seller was the utmost professional and in my estimation very easy to resolve any issues with and a very nice fella. He sells thousands of items so a mistake can be made here or there.

Based on my communications and previous dealings with him, I would definitely transact business again. One could only hope and wish to have an ebay seller that is so easy to work with in the event of any issues. Offered to pay the cost of expertizing fees if not as described.

This is not a promotion of any sort but I have to tell it how I feel it. This was my experience.

What did this pair turn out to actually be?

Facsimile in their estimation. It was much larger in size than any stamp, essay or proof.