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Posted 02/28/2008   8:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
amitvyas03's stamps

Hi

Can someone please identify these for me (with years of issue and CVs)?


Stamp 4 Brazil


Stamp 6 Brazil


Stamp 20 Brazil


Stamp 26 Brazil


Stamp 27 Brazil


Stamp 52 Brazil


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Posted 03/09/2008   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stamp number 4 is Brazil scott 218 topic aviation catalog 40 cents used..stamp 20 is Brazil scott 183 from 1910 catalog value one dollar 1
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Posted 08/21/2013   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am confused in regards to the 1st stamp (stamp 4 at the top). Philb indicates that it is Brazil Scott#218 "topic aviation". My standard catalogues show "aviation" as design A75, which depicts a 100r stamp. The stamp description for #218 indicates design A73 10r red violet", however, design A73 shows the 10r "railroad" stamp. Can someone help me out of the maze I seem to be in.
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"Aviation" 10r deep brown , red brown
• 1931-34 Scott 326 10r deep brown "Watermark 222- CORREIO BRASIL and 5 stars in squared •ircle"
• 1936-37 Scott 431 10r deep brown "Watermark 249- "CORREIO BRASIL", multiple, letters 7 mm high"
• 1939 Scott 467 10r red brown "Watermark 256- "CASA+DA+MOEDA+DO+BRASIL" in 7+-8mm high letters"
• 1940-41 Scott 488 10r red brown " Watermark 264- "(star)CORREIO(star)BRASIL(star), multiple, letters 7mm high"

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• Although the aviation design was introduced in 1920, this denomination was not used until 1931.
• All of these watermarks are distinctive, so little confusion should arise.
• The 1939 wmk 467 is slightly less common (CV $1)
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"Industry" 50r blue green
•1920 Scott 221 50r blue green"Unwatermarked"
•1922 Scott 240 50r blue green"Watermark 100- "CASA DA MOEDA" in Sheet, letters 17 mm high"

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• The 1922 Scott 240 wmk 100 is CV $4+ unused.
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"Aviation" 50r blue green
• 1931 Scott 330 50r blue green "Watermark 222- CORREIO BRASIL and 5 stars in squared circle"
• 1936 Scott 433 50r blue green "Watermark 249- "CORREIO BRASIL", multiple, letters 7 mm high"
• 1938 Scott 461 50r blue green "Watermark 245 - multiple "CASA DA MOEDA DO BRASIL" and small Formee cross, letters 6 mm+"
• 1939 Scott 469 50r blue green "Watermark 256- "CASA+DA+MOEDA+DO+BRASIL" in 7+-8mm high letters"
• 1941 Scott 489A 50r blue green " Watermark 264- "(star)CORREIO(star)BRASIL(star), multiple, letters 7mm high"

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• This blue green color appeared in 1931, and replaced the red brown color from earlier issues.
• The 1938 Scott 461 wmk 245, the Formee cross watermark, is somewhat less common (CV $1+).
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"Commerce-Mercury" 1000r turquoise blue
•1929 Scott 257 1000r turquoise blue "Watermark 100- "CASA DA MOEDA" in Sheet, letters 17 mm high"
•1929 Scott 311 1000r turquoise blue "Watermark 218 - E you BRASIL, multiple, letters 8mm high"
•1929 Scott 311a 1000r turquoise blue "Watermark 218 variation in echelon - E you BRASIL, multiple, letters 8mm high"
•1930 Scott 322 1000r turquoise blue "Watermark 221 - ESTADOS UNIDOS DO BRASIL, multiple, letters 6mm high"
•1931 Scott 340 1000r turquoise blue "Watermark 222- CORREIO BRASIL and 5 stars in squared circle"
•1936 Scott 441 1000r turquoise blue "Watermark 249- "CORREIO BRASIL", multiple, letters 7 mm high"
•1939 Scott 474 1000rturquoise blue "Watermark 256- "CASA+DA+MOEDA+DO+BRASIL" in 7+-8mm high letters"
•1940 Scott 494 1000r turquoise blue "Watermark 264- "(star)CORREIO(star)BRASIL(star), multiple, letters 7mm high"

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• A challenge with eight watermarks, including wmk 218 in echelon.
• Scott 257 wmk 100 & Scott 332 wmk 221 @ $1, and Scott 311a wmk 218 variation in echelon @ $10.
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Posted 08/21/2013   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just a taste of my complete guide to the watermarks (pics included) and stamps (pics included) of the 1918-41 Brazil definitives.

To be published in November....
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Posted 08/21/2013   4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jkjblue: WOW! thanks for all that. My intention was to work my way down through the images but as I understand it none of the images can be designated (other than to stamp design numbers) given that the applicable watermarks have not been indicated? The aviation theme stamp is pretty subtle.
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Posted 08/21/2013   7:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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My intention was to work my way down through the images but as I understand it none of the images can be designated (other than to stamp design numbers) given that the applicable watermarks have not been indicated?


Correct. The Brazil definitives for these years have multiple watermarks, and the watermark needs to be determined in order to assign a specific catalogue number.
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Posted 11/18/2013   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


If there is a stamp series that strikes terror in the philatelic hearts of WW classical stamp collectors, the 1918-41 definitives of Brazil (Sιrie vovσ) may be at the top of the list.

Consider....
• Unwatermarked, 11 different watermarks!, and a watermark variation are found
• Spans 23 years with 17 issues of 3-22 stamps
• 41 significant face different or major color change groupings
• 149 spaces in the Steiner album for this series

There is now some additional help.

check out....

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.co...1Stamps.html
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Posted 11/19/2013   09:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bump

This entry sank like a stone yesterday...

But for those that are interested in watermarking the difficult Brazil definitives 1918-41, check out my latest blog post....

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.co...1Stamps.html
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Posted 11/19/2013   2:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danstamps54 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jkjblue,
A very informative blog post! I really liked the way you captured the different watermarks in the photos! It is more helpful to me to see a watermark on an actual stamp as opposed to a picture.
That couldn't have been an easy task. Most of the Brazil stamps I've watermarked had pretty weak watermarks.

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Posted 11/19/2013   2:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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That couldn't have been an easy task. Most of the Brazil stamps I've watermarked had pretty weak watermarks.


Dan- I agree that a pic of the watermarks is more informative - or, at least offers an additional perspective, to the watermark illustrations in the catalogue.

Brazil watermarks aren't really too bad to see- it is a matter though, of trying to identify them.

I've been able to have ~ 75% success rate in identifying watermarks "for sure". But that still leaves a pile of stamps.
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Posted 11/19/2013   3:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danstamps54 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have about the same success rate. Of course the more you do, the easier it gets. It's a frustrating series though. It's not like you can throw up a scan here and have another pair of eyes double check. As you correctly said, it's the watermark that tells the tale. My success rate in scanning watermarks is miserable.

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Posted 11/19/2013   8:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jkjblue: "sank like a stone" - never - you have fans on any board that you post. Great images that are well-documented - keep up the good work!
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