Scott 233 NFLD - Wavy Top Outer Frame Line.

Hi guys

Never seen this before..The top outer frame line on this Scott 233 stamp is wavy...Have not seen that before.

Sent it to Malcolm at BNAPS for his opinion.

Robert

Nice find, wert. Color of Newfoundland 233 (Unitrade cat) for the 1 cent is "grey back". Yours looks violet ?
Rene

Sorry Rene (guys) my scanner is screwing up..Have to use my USB microscope and my cell phone to post things for now.

It is gray/black in hand Rene...But, never seen this before..Checked all my 233's and this is the only one with this oddity.

Robert

Wert:

I don't want to rain on your parade but, to me, it looks as if the stamp is not completely flat on whatever it sits on in your microscope. Also, I would think that the optics of a microscope - going through a focal point - are quite different from a scanner which looks straight down on all points. A combination of this and a not flat object could lead to slight parallax errors. I say this because the locations you point out above the W and the first D both correspond to an area of shadow. Do you place a glass slide under pressure over the stamp to keep it flat?

itma...That would make sense, I just put in in a 102b card and flattened it out and looked through my lighted magnifying glass and it is definitely as shown on my post.

Very strange outer border.

Robert.

Robert,
Can you post an image of the back of the stamp?
Don

Hi Don

Hope this scan is decent..Have had scanner trouble, trying to calibrate it the best I can,

Robert

wert.

I have an 8c with a wavy lower frame on a fdc. I have not investigated it, so cannot tell you the reason for it. But maybe it will help you with your stamp.

Wert, can you check if the watermark is right in that area, please?

Very interesting dynamode

Did not consider looking at the bottom of the stamp.

Robert

wert.

I have had a quick looked through my scans of the long set. I have found several more with uneven frame lines.

I have a top corner block of 10 of the #238 14c with the five re-entries. All five re-entry stamps look to have uneven lower frame lines. The other five do not.

I also have a 7c #235 position 59, and a 20c #240 shown below with very uneven top frame line. The stamp below, somehow I missed it completely, it was not in my var folder.

I think you maybe on to something here.

It is not just the frame line, it is the entire image. Look at how the DLAND is raised above the rest NEWFOUN. Something else is going on, is the stamp 100% flat when scanned?


On Robert's stamp, there are odd wrinkles on the back image. It appears to be a used stamp (or regummed) so I would suspect that that it might have been dried non-flat or perhaps even some other kind of shrinkage.

On used stamp sometimes people can do some strange things to a stamp. For example, using ammonia to clean a stamp. This would cause the wrinkles seen on Robert's stamp and cause shrinkage in places. In fact, you can shrink an entire stamp like this






Don

Gotcha Don.




My way of thinking, is all these posts coming in from different people having the EXACT same oddities seems a little far fetched that the same thing was done to these stamps.

BUT, I might be beating a dead horse, but very, very, strange to me.

Robert

I agree that more discovery is warranted and its great that you guys are looking closer at this. But be careful about losing the trees for the forest. Conformation bias is a very easy thing to fall into with fly-speccing.

And note that 'the same thing happening to these stamps' might simply be the fact that things have happened to the paper that is causing them to not be flat or straight. This is probably more likely than undiscovered bent frame lines.

Either way, it will be interesting to see what more discovery turns up.
Don

51studebaker.
Rescanned in a hagner with a weight on it.

Front and reverse and another couple of scans for comparison.

I believe that this may be due to re-touching of the framelines by the engravers. There are alot of small flaws and reentries on the Long Coronation Issue in general and a few are listed in Unitrade. Here is a 20c with the top curvy frameline, and below, the Extra Smokestack variety.