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Hello everybody! To make a long story even longer; about 50 years ago I received a bunch of stamps from my grandfather. Little did he know that stamp collecting would not become an interest, of his only grandson, until his grandson was even older than he, (when he gave me the stamps). The stamps are both domestic, (U.S.), and international and all are from the 1890s to about 1940. Among them are a couple of hundred used stamps from Hungary which I have found are, for the most part, not very valuable...but I don't really care the history is worth the effort. This one, though, is strange because the only copy of this stamp I have been able to find is on a site that specializes in stamp forgeries and they call it "Magyarorszag 1930 Provisional 6 Filler Forgery". Why? That's my only question...what makes this a "forgery"? Your help will be much appreciated! JayC   *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. *** |
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Perhaps the specialists see something in the design. The top centre dot looks large, and the gap between the 2 prongs is questionable. The florettes at the base of the numeral design, are poorly defined. A common problem in Philately..... declare "Forgery" without explanation. Was the stamp declared a forgery? or the surcharge?  |
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| Edited by rod222 - 03/03/2018 6:18 pm |
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Hi JayC, and welcome to this forum. First of all, you might ask staff to move this post to a better forum where you will get more replies. This one is for folks that inherited and need to know hat to do. And you can give us a link to the site where you saw the info about the fake. That would help us, OK, I was too late. As usual Rod beat me! Peter |
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| Edited by Petert4522 - 03/03/2018 6:18 pm |
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You gentlemen are really FAST! I think I didn't make myself clear with my ramblings. It wasn't my stamp that was considered a "forgery" but the overprint on a similar stamp. Here's the link to the nefarious, (not really but it would have been nice if they were more clear): http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...of-hungary/.Thank you! |
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Ah!
the webmaster is a member here. A tough gig, identifying all the points of a forgery.
He provides a good overall representation.
On his image of the surcharge, it is quite evident the florettes are poor, and the obliterations of the original values pointing towards a forged issue.
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First of all, the forgery shown on stampforgeries.com is the perf 14 X 14-1/4 per Scott. JayC's and all of rod222's are perf 15 and are not particularly expensive stamps. I doubt any of those were ever candidates for forgery. Michel is usually pretty good at noting forgeries but none are mentioned for either watermark issue.
I agree with Rod. Note that all shown above are also very black and evenly printed besides being quite sharp. The forged example is poorly printed in a grayish ink. |
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| Edited by hy-brasil - 03/03/2018 8:03 pm |
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Keep in mind there are two types of this overprint.
I. "type of lines are thick, their paintings are uneven, they are shielded" - last part maybe better translated as "the digit area is confluent", e.g., blurry
II. "type of lines are thinner and sharp, their tone is even, the figure on the digit area is quite visible
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A nice discussion.
I have learnt something here.
Going by "Hungary for Stamps" (HFS) (Source of information not disclosed) there seems to be some doubt of a forgery at all.
Great Information. Saved.
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| Edited by rod222 - 03/03/2018 9:51 pm |
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Must of missed something here?
But the stamps have "FILLER" printed at the bottom of each stamp.
Why would the word FILLER printed on the stamp not be seen as a forgery? |
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FILLER is the name of the currency!!
As in 100 Filler = 1 Korona |
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| Edited by mdroth - 03/03/2018 10:47 pm |
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John, further to Michael and Randy's response...here are the Filler and Forint Currencies on Postage dues..........  |
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