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US 1857 SC #26 - Extra Line At Left Of Stamp

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Posted 03/08/2018   07:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add souldjer777 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Good Morning,

I was wondering if this was a sign of a double impression for the US 1857 SC #26. There is an extra line at left of this stamp. Please see scan and let me know your thoughts. Sorry, the scan resolution is not the best quality but I believe it's as good as I can get with my scanner.

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Posted 03/08/2018   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pastime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good Morning!
It's a clear scan. There are people on this forum capable of giving you the plate position of your stamp. I am not one of them. However I'll suggest that the line is not a double impression but instead part of an extra frame line, keeping in mind that the US Specialized catalog says, "Frame line double varieties are separate and distinct for virtually the entire length of the stamp. Examples with partly split lines are worth considerably less." It's a very attractive stamp you have there, though.
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Posted 03/08/2018   10:43 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the image is a bit blurry. Perhaps it was inside a mount when scanned?

The stamp is a D relief position and looks similar to several hundred different positions. Plating to an exact position is probably not possible at this point.

The faint line is not a sign of a double impression or any kind of extra line. It is what we specialists call a "relief line". It is an indication of how well the very weak frame lines on the transfer roll were transferred to the plate. It is the reason why all of the framelines on the 3c stamp from 1851-61 had to be recut by hand on the plate. I will try to post an example of a true doubled frameline later if I have the time.
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Posted 03/08/2018   10:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add souldjer777 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you both - Do you know the catalog number of this stamp from Scott Catalog?
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Posted 03/08/2018   1:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pastime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your number (26) is correct.
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Posted 03/08/2018   1:23 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Type III, Scott#26.





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Posted 03/08/2018   1:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sdtom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
good scan of stamp
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Posted 03/08/2018   2:44 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a good image of a true doubled frame line.

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Posted 03/08/2018   4:54 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Please clarify this. Then that means the bold solid line you see on the left of the stamp in question is the inner frame line? Or a recut outer frame line because it goes beyond the stamp? Because there is no way another line could go inside of it since it is already touching the design all the way down the left side. Unlike the right side where there is a gap, a inner frame line could be added. On your stamp both sides show outer frame lines away from the sides designs. So you could add inner frame lines. So I would assume on your stamp those frame lines on both sides, are outer frame lines.
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Posted 03/08/2018   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pastime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It might help us to look at the Full Size Image to cert #545085 on the PF Search site.

http://pfsearch.org/pfsearch/pf_grd...lledfrom=lkp
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Posted 03/08/2018   6:17 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the stamp from PF Cert No 545085 with left frame line doubled.

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Posted 03/08/2018   7:24 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, I don't think that is helpful and the PF is doing a disservice by saying any of those stamps has a doubled frame line. Even worse, is it shows an apparent inability to identify the real thing and disqualify the imposters.

Here is another genuine example of a doubled frame line, except this time it is Type IV.

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Posted 03/08/2018   7:33 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
3193, There was no attempt to add inner frame lines to any of the positions on the Type III plates. The first image I posted is a Type III stamp from Plate 15, position 100L15 to be exact. The extra frame lines were likely added to fill in larger than desired gaps between columns of stamps on the plate.
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Posted 03/08/2018   10:18 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sinclair! I noticed Scott has values for left and right frame lines double and also for recut inner lines left and right for Scott #64.?? What lines are they recutting?
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Posted 03/09/2018   10:03 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry Scott #26 not #64.
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Posted 03/09/2018   12:49 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The design, as originally engraved, had a faint inner frame line along the outside edge of the lattice work at the sides. The 41P3 shown below is what the printed stamp was supposed to look like. After Plate 3 was made in 1852, very few attempts were made to recut the inner lines. All of those later examples are relatively scarce. I can post some examples later.

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