Some Early Italians To Id, Please

Thanks in advance...these seem to be worth something, but some of the colors don't match the catalog, and I can't find any information about imperforate varieties.

(Still going through the collection I was given years ago.)

hi: The first two are Italy no. 2&3.The third stamp looks like bogus perfs.
Stamps 4-8 are Sardenia, None of them have color traces in the margin.
Better to post a single pic of the bottom row of each stamp to see the details.
The price depends on the printing year.For instance the Ottanta (80) was
printed in 1858,1859,1860,1861,1862 all with color differences.
The correct profile;

Hi!
Sorry but the price depends on nothing since all of them are obviously forgeries

Vayolene...

Curious as to why you think they are forgeries. (I'm not contradicting you. They were in my late father-in-law's collection, so I have no way of asking where he bought them...he also has a half-dozen of those shiney Roman States stamps.)

In any case, who do I go to to check them out?

Thanks.
SS

If you post a pic of the stamps we can go point by point looking
at each stamp.Forgeries; why not; but I like explaining why and
to do that;clear pics are helpful.

Here is a 600dpi scan of one of them...you will no doubt see the tear on the lower left...probably makes it worthless...but I enjoy saving and looking at the stamps.

NOTE: There are a number of stamps in the collection worth over $10 each, such as the A.G. Bell plate block (US) an amazing two-volume Japan album, and a half-dozen stuffed stock books, and an international album that his father gave him.. He wasn't what most of you would call a serious collector, but he bought a lot of stamps in the 1960's and 70's...I think he was in a club at that time.

I'm trying to go through one country at a time...there seem to be a few very old items in each country along with the usual common stuff.

I don't want to take a lot of your time explaining things to me, but here is the scan.



SS

Ok; that's a nice Italy no.2 indigo ,to bad for the tear and short perfs.Note the p in poste is a bit taller than the other letters
that one of the points for authenticity among other things...
If you could post the red & green imperf stamp that would be nice..

Here they are:





Thanks, again.
ss

Recently I was remounting my Italy material and was taken back while working on these very stamps to find one of them I'd had for years has an inverted center. Do not have my catalog handy but its the high value, green frame line. Had it for years but the head is embossed so I failed to notice. Catalog is just $500 and it has faults so am not getting worked up over it. Also these have been extensively counterfeited so it could be a fake. One of these days I will post an image of it for opinions.

Both forgeries as mentioned by vayolene.I include some points
in the small forgery study of the 5c..
Note: (Pearls can be more visible in some stamps but in this one they
have no real forms too them.)


An authentic one below:

C'est la vie!
...but thanks.
SS

These stamps are very known with forgeries even with cancellations. A buyer needs to be very careful when come across them. I hope your relative originally did not spend a lot of money to purchase them for his collection.

The 20c need to see for specific markings. for example, the difference from your 20c stamp, has to have a noticeable white dot near the second letter "O" which is positioned at left bottom of beginning of this "O" second letter in the word BOLLO. It looks like a connection to the specific letter "O" above the line.It is noticeable with the naked eye if you look carefully. Unfortunately, your stamps does not show it with the cancellation or unused. That is the first thing I look for when I come across this 20c blue stamp to rule out if it may be real or not. The Scott prices varies with the color of the stamp too. The 1862 comes in dark blue, pale milky blue, grey blue, and deep dark blue.20c dark blue is the most common. The most expensive unused for the 20c is the pale milky blue color perforated priced in excellent unused condition (Scott 19c.)According to 2018 Scotts Specialized Catalogue, it is priced for unused in excellent condition in amount of $22,500 USD with gum. The perforations known as 11 1/2 x 12,unwatermarked, for the typographic head embossed. The 1863 lithographs are the imperforated ones only in 15c blue shades of coloring and are not as expensive as the typographic ones. The typographics are 10c,20c, 40 c, 80c. The 10 blister are very expensive with the perforated typographic design. In unused condition, the colors come in blister, yellow brown, dark olive brown, dark brown, olive blister, red orange. This stamp can be in the thousands with its different shades in an unused condition. It is a rare stamp. Best to get authenticated by specialists to verify your findings with the any dominations of the 1862's. Also price ranges depends if they have gum or not. Without gum, it lowers value including must look at condition of the each of the stamps like other stamps you may collect.
I hope this will be helpful information may be useful if you choose to collect them.

The imperforated ones are suppose to be from Sardinia,1855-63 or Neapolitan provinces 1861 which are Italian States. Italia first ones where done in 1862. and they are perforated.

However, I do not see a 5 green perforated under the section of Italia (Italy). The first was Scott# 17, 1862, which is 10 c blister in the catalogue. There are no references for a 5 cent perforated green.I would question that one too.