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Posted 04/09/2018   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jogil to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have found two different stamps with one narrow (left) and another wide (right). Both are on vertical wove paper and are wet printed. The narrower one appears to be scarcer. Plates 1 and 2 were flat plate printed with 100 stamp subjects each and plates 3 and 4 were rotary press printed with 200 stamp subjects each. This may account for such a difference. Also, Scott/Unitrade 97 were similarly printed. However, I don't think this is mentioned in any catalogue.

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Posted 04/09/2018   10:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I have found two different stamps with one narrow (left) and another wide (right).


When you say narrow and wide, are you referring to the perforations or the stamp design? I don't see anything mentioned in my 2014 Unitrade concerning scarcity and a difference in rotary press versus flat plate printing.
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Posted 04/09/2018   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
horizontal stamp design width size
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Posted 04/09/2018   11:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jogil,

If you could advise the design dimensions in mm, it might be easier to help out.
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Posted 04/10/2018   12:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did some quick checking as based on your photograph/scan, the design of the stamp on the right does appear to be wider. According to both Boggs and Holmes, the issue was printed over a three month period, the 15-cent value being the last issued to Postmasters on October 14, 1908. It was printed on a good quality white wove paper. The 2-Cent stamp, picturing King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra was, as you mentioned, printed over 4 plates. Boggs nor Holmes mentions anything about different printing methods though - which would be unusual due to the fact that these were commemoratives.
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Posted 04/10/2018   01:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 200 large/400 small stamp subject printing plates were used for sheet-fed rotary (wet) printing presses by ABN starting in 1907 until around 1926.
The 100 large/200 small stamp subject printing plates were used for sheet-fed flat and rotary (wet) presses by ABN starting in 1897 with 1910 marking the last of these for rotary presses and 1913 marking the last of these for flat plate presses.
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Posted 04/10/2018   01:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jogil,

Do you have a reference for the ABN details?

Not trying to put words in your mouth but are you then hypothesizing that the 2-Cent may have been printed on two different presses? Considering that the domestic and USA rate at the time was 2-Cents, and that they produced more of the 2-Cents than any other stamp in the series (35,100,000), it would make sense. But I have read that the rotary press at the ABN used plates that were not curved as much as other presses at the time, and therefore the distortion or stretch was not very significant.
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Actual plate blocks for different plates might be useful to confirm the differences. Time to look for them in inventories and auction catalogues.....
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Posted 04/10/2018   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stretch may have been less noticeable on the Admirals because they were smaller stamps in horizontal size than these which may help more in showing a difference because of their double width size in comparison.



The Brigham auction was a source for these. It also looks like Montreal City Stamps and Saskatoon Stamp Centre have some plate blocks. Maybe they can send someone scans of them on one page together.
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Posted 04/10/2018   10:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't wait to get home tonight so that I can check my used stock of these stamps and see if I can find an example. Super topic!!
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Posted 04/11/2018   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It could be that plates 1 and 2 are flat and plates 3 and 4 are rotary. It could be that plates 1 and 2 are also rotary or plate 1 is flat and plate 2 is rotary or plate 1 is rotary and plate 2 is flat. This is what is trying to be determined, if anything with regards to the different width sizes on this stamp.
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