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Penny Red - CCCC - Need Confirmation Of Letters Please

 
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Posted 05/07/2018   07:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add souldjer777 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Good Morning,

It's early here but I would like a possible confirmation on the letters of this penny red stamp. It appears to be CCCC all around and I don't believe that's possible. Please correct me if I'm wrong and let me know what the letters could be. I don't have a table of all the letters or a good resource on hand - I've been googling though.

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Posted 05/07/2018   08:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CCCC is one of the 240 normal positions. Third over, third down.
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Posted 05/07/2018   08:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add souldjer777 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you chasa- I need to put together a table, that would be the best - do you know where I could find one?
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Posted 05/07/2018   08:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think these are the 1858 and after printings.The lower letters were
were the same as the top letters but reversed.In this case C & C.





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Posted 05/07/2018   6:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi souldjer777,

These stamps were printed in sheets of 240, 20 rows across and 12 columns down.

The stamp in the top left corner of the sheet will have the letters AA. The stamp on the first row at the far right will have the letters AL.

The stamp in the bottom left corner will have the letters TA and the stamp in the bottom right corner will have the letters TL.

Hope this helps
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Posted 05/08/2018   08:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To add a couple more tid bits:

The first versions only had letters at the bottom corners - the row on the lower left corner and the column on the lower right - so AA, top left stamp on the sheet, to TL, bottom right stamp on the sheet.

When the "letters in 4 corners" versions were issued, they reversed the letters and put them at the top. So, stamp from the 4th row (D), 5th position from right (F) will have DF at the bottom and FD at the top. Yours was row C, column C, so it ended up with Cs in all four corners.
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Posted 05/08/2018   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
5th position from right (F)


Wouldn't it be from the left (in which case it would be an E)?

FD would be the 4th stamp in the 6th row?

Or do I need another coffee?
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 05/08/2018 5:59 pm
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Posted 05/08/2018   8:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No. You're right. I need to learn to spell and count.
Ignore the above.

o add a couple more tidbits:

The first versions only had letters at the bottom corners - the row on the lower left corner and the column on the lower right - so AA, top left stamp on the sheet, to TL, bottom right stamp on the sheet.

When the "letters in 4 corners" versions were issued, they reversed the letters and put them at the top. So, stamp from the 4th row (D), 6th position from left (F) will have DF at the bottom and FD at the top. Yours was row C, column C, so it ended up with Cs in all four corners.
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