Fraudulant Cancels On Italian Commeratives

Rozie, like nearly all Italian commemorative issues of the era, this issue was only valid from the date of issue May 18, 1951 to June 16, 1951. The price/scarcity relative to other issues seems to indicate that its distribution was very limited as you suspect.

So, the cancels might be genuine postal ones but if the stamps were cancelled out of their period of validity then the used catalog price given doesn't apply. Then, to be proven used during their period of validity, we have to also have a readable date on the cancel. See the 5L value above and the Monte Cassino stamp also. Otherwise, someone could easily stick this on a letter next to a valid stamp or get them cancelled by a friendly clerk years later.

The cancel on the 15L is suspect to me. The style at this time for handstamp cancels was to have the date line as day/month/year/hour in numbers. It then looks like the time is given as 51 o'clock. A postal clerk could always make a mistake setting up the cancel device, but this still looks fishy.

If the cancels are not outright forgeries, the value is closer to that of mint hinged or no gum stamps, not terrible. You can still send them in for expertising if you like, but I feel that without readable dates, the chances they will get a genuine cert would be unlikely.

On the 15 lire stamp it looks like:
Year 51
Hour 10 or 13 or 16 ?

These stamps to have any value must have one of the below cancels;fully readable.



Stamps that were used outside of the event and have different cancels exist;but they must fall into the very short time period of validity.
Your stamps have the double circle type which was used in many places.

Hello,

At this link https://www.ilpostalista.it/demo/demo_104.htm it is stated that the postmarks above were held by the committee (and 'in use'?) for 10 years before being destroyed

alka2 ,Very interesting article.translated the end part for this thread.
il danno pero ero ormai fatto:infatti molti collezionisti furono spinti a farsi annullare I francobolli in serie completa evitando volutamente l'invio per posta nel timore che qualcuno se ne appropriasse e li revendese lucrando sulla loro particolarità filatelica.
Non secodaria la tardiva distruzione dei timbri originali nelle mani della direzione provinciale delle poste che avvenne una decina d'anni dopo la chiusura della manifestazione.
the damage, however, was already done: in fact, many collectors were pushed to have the stamps canceled in full series, deliberately avoiding sending them by post for fear that someone would appropriate them and sell them again, making a profit on their philatelic peculiarity.
The late destruction of the original (stamps)? in the hands of the provincial post office, which took place about ten years after the end of the event, was not secodary
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In italian they used the word Timbri which would be stamps.?? timbri can also be cancel !!
It was the late destruction of the stamps by postal authorities after the Firenze event....

Timbri does not correspond to the French word timbres(stamps),it means cancels or postmarks.

vayolene,


Time elements in Italian handstamp cancels of the period are separated by blanks, stops or dashes. Being the full width of the inner circle, I assume the last element is supposed to be the hour. I see a clear space that could be a space, stop or dash, then a "5" and "1". Could you point out the second digit of the hour?; sorry, I don't see it at all.

I stand corrected
I confused with another stamp.