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Lincoln Scott 315 Imperf

 
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Posted 06/01/2018   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kaps15 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

New to the site. Traveling out of the country and saw this from a dealer in Scandanavia. I think it is a Scott 315. What would a reasonable price be for this stamp from a dealer (realize pictures off the phone are not the best.

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kaps15
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Posted 06/01/2018   2:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole without a certificate.
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Posted 06/01/2018   2:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kaps15 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. What does this stamp in this condition normally retail for from a dealer?
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Posted 06/01/2018   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,
#315s are one of the most commonly misidentified and/or altered US stamps; there are some wide margin perforated stamps which can be easily trimmed to make them appear as #315s. A #315 typically must measure at least 21.5mm x25mm to be considered genuine.

Without a certification the stamp's value is 'to-be-determined'.
Don
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Posted 06/01/2018   3:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kaps15 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Don. This one measured 21 x 23 mm. Thank you for the quick advice!
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Posted 06/01/2018   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Fredc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Given that Don has supplied a measurement- how would an expert certify the stamp? Couldn't a "jumbo" be cut and certified and actually be a fake? What's the point of the cert?
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Posted 06/01/2018   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you go to the PF site and look at multiples you will see that the margins between the stamps is not very large. There were very few jumbos that would be so big as to allow them to be cut and still be large enough to fool an expert.
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Posted 06/01/2018   11:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codehappy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Couldn't a "jumbo" be cut and certified and actually be a fake?


You'd have to overcome a lot of skepticism to get that good cert. Expertisers will approach every submitted putative #315 with the null hypothesis that it's a trimmed fake, unless it truly is obviously genuine (comes as a pair imperf between, for example). From their point of view, it's a lot better to return "no opinion" on a genuine 315 than to give their imprimatur on a trimmed fake. So any stamp with borderline 315 measurements won't get the nod just because of measurements. (Ample 315 measurements won't get the nod immediately either -- you have to check for paper added at the margins.)

There are other things. Another thing they will look at, for example, is how the stamp was separated. If it was torn, or there was one clean scissor/guillotine cut, that's good; that's what they expect to see. The edges will be examined under a microscope. If there's any sign of filing, sanding, or cutting with an X-acto knife, or similar, it's going to be called fake. If there are any remains of perf holes -- or any bevelling that might be the edges of perf holes -- then it will be called a fake as well. If they can't tell how it was separated, that's a good excuse to return "no opinion".

It will be hard to obtain sufficient measurements, BTW, from a trimmed jumbo, at least if you trim with scissors (use anything else detectable under examination and it will likely be called fake.)

I'm not an expert in this issue, so there might be other tell-tale signs that differ between the issues (paper thickness, for example.) But just close examination of the edges will rule out many trimmed fakes.
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