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A Bewildering Leap Of Logical Thinking (R155)

 
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Posted 06/15/2018   11:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add James Drummond to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

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This seller claims that the stamp offered for sale is a postage stamp prepared for use as a revenue stamp but illegally used instead as a postage stamp.

Which explains the substantial asking price, I guess.

Or, you know, it could just be a canceled postage stamp with a bogus "I. R." handstamp.

Which one do you think it is?

Jim

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1898-R155-...refresh=true



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Posted 06/15/2018   12:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add OzwaldO to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even if it really happened, it would just be a freak.
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Posted 06/15/2018   1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like another homemade "one-of-a-kind rarity". Since this person seems to have an idea what a provisional overprint is, and has put a catalog# on the listing...that makes it a little more depressing to me. The person seems to be delusional, or desperate for money, or he/she has a weird sense of humor.
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Posted 06/15/2018   3:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add therevenueman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A postage stamp turned into a provisional revenue stamp, then used for postage. You see a lot of this in this period. Lots of folks felt that it was all the same government getting the money.So not much value when it happens on the low value stamps.
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Posted 06/15/2018   5:27 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I contacted the seller as soon as I saw the listing this morning, stating the following:


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Good morning,

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but this is not a genuine item. It is a manufactured contrivance. A stamp with a genuine provisional overprint would not have postal cancels. It would instead have manuscript initials and the date of usage.

If you go to the Philatelic Foundation certificate search, you can find pictures of genuine provisionals.

-Dan


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Hello Dan.. and thank you for your note.

There are actually many examples of "I.R." provisionals (R1153) that have been used as postage - albeit illegally. Some examples on cover show a "Due 2c", as the postmaster or clerk caught the attempted 2c problem.

I have been collecting stamps and covers for decades and have exhibited illegal uses of postage as revenue, revenue as postage, etc.. and so with the duplex cancel being stamped over the "I.R." in this case, it's quite the interesting find. If you go to Siegel Auctions, Eric Jackson, Langs, and others, you will find some examples.

Thanks, again, for sharing your thoughts..


He's completely missing the point. Yes there are illegal usages in both directions. I specialize in them. The provisional overprints that you find used illegally as postage are the officially issued ones.

What you don't see, as Jim states, is a privately issued provisional revenue used with postal cancels.

I'd bet my next paycheck this wouldn't get certed.
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Posted 06/15/2018   9:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"A postage stamp turned into a provisional revenue stamp, then used for postage. You see a lot of this in this period. Lots of folks felt that it was all the same government getting the money.So not much value when it happens on the low value stamps".

I hope this was meant as a joke. You see them using the printed IR overprints because those were issued before July 1, 1898 and collectors had the time to have fun creating them. But a handstamp provisional would only have been created at the moment of necessity. It would have been used right away and not left laying around to be stuck on an envelope later.
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Posted 06/15/2018   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add raymodj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your paycheck is safe, but you already knew that.

I have read that for various reasons, some private provisionals weren't used up before being replaced with official revenue stamps. I'm somewhat surprised none of the surplus stamps are known used as postage.

EDIT: It seems my question was answered while posting this. thanks.
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Edited by raymodj - 06/15/2018 10:03 pm
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