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USA - Third Class Cancels?

 
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Posted 07/07/2018   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jamesw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any thoughts on these cancels from Chicago and Boston? Are they third class? I can't find any info anywhere.



Thanks in advance
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Posted 07/07/2018   12:16 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You will find some information on 3rd and 4th class cancels in "Killers of the Banknote Era 1870-1894" by James M. Cole. These are on Pages 307 - 313. Yours are similar, but may be slightly different than the illustrated cancels.
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Posted 07/07/2018   12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 07/07/2018   7:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It apparently was more like for usage other than first class where the "normal" town cancel that had a date was to be used. Note the current last listing of the Cole database linked above in 3rd and 4th class cancel types where a Biddeford, Maine oval is used on a registered cover that was not supposed to have the usual town cancel used on its stamp(s).

In your examples, third class usage/printed matter rate is proven by a single 1c stamp being used. Even if only on piece, the paper type of the top scan and placement of stamp suggesting part of a wrapper on the bottom scan strongly imply they came from third class mail.
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Edited by hy-brasil - 07/07/2018 7:19 pm
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Posted 07/07/2018   8:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gentle suggestion, that postal history questions need to show the entire mail piece. That said, I agree, the use of a 1 cent stamp and undated cancel device in that era very strongly indicates 3rd class mail.

hy-brasil's comment about the Biddeford, ME undated town oval used in the 1890s on a higher-value stamp confuses pre- and post- Jan 1, 1911 registered mail regulations, thus is incorrect for the time period. Most registered mail before Jan 1, 1911 has a dated cancel on the front side. The images in Cole's book, and thus the StampSmarter database are traced or cropped so tightly to omit the CDS portion of the device and thus render many of the entries totally useless for postal history context purposes.
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Posted 07/07/2018   11:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gentle suggestion noted, John Becker.
Though they really aren't that interesting.


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Canada
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Posted 07/07/2018   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A similar Chicago cancel appears on this studio photo card which was mailed to Canada. I think I've shown this here before, but not sure.



I believe her name is Hattie.

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Posted 07/08/2018   02:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I believe her name is Hattie.




Do you think Harriet Williams is sending the Pic to her dad?
Seems so,
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Edited by rod222 - 07/08/2018 03:24 am
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Posted 07/08/2018   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Who knows, Rod? Be nice to believe so.
Though I thought that upside-down note read 'Please omit the badge'
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