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What Qualified This One Penny Stamp For Such A Value?

 
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Posted 07/20/2018   4:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamperix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

I just saw this auction entry and wonder why it is sold for such a money? What is special about this stamp: the plate, the alphabet, the cancel(s), the date?

https://www.philasearch.com/en/i_90...9/item.html?

thank you.
I don't know nearly anything about the Penny stamps, but just saw this entry and had to ask.

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I searched a bit about the plate. Plate 61 does not seem to be a rare plate, the only rare plate of this stamp I found is plate 33?
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Posted 07/21/2018   02:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The numeral is 86, not 98. Blackburn wouldn't be a rare number unless it's a rare type. Is the Clitheroe mark rare? Apparently there are a number of re-entries on plates 59 to 75 so maybe that's the reason?
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Posted 07/21/2018   05:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Noocassel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I looked in the SG Great Britain Queen Victoria catalogue (5th edition, quite old) as far as I can see the stamp is not unusual, though I couldn't trace the meaning of varieties vb. The canceller looks to be of a style used pre stamp.
Perhaps because I don't know I shouldn't be posting, but come on you experts stop us scratching our headsand wondering.
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Posted 07/21/2018   06:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you both, I am glad that I am not the only one who does not see the special value in this stamp :).
Hopefully somebody has any answer helping us. What I wonder is that they give a high catalogue value so it must something listed in any catalogue.

in the meantime and as you just looked into your catalogues: is there any plate rated as "rare" for this stamp? I saw the plate 33 as rare, I guess this is true, but are there other plates which could mean premium? (the pl. 61 in this example probably not?)
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Posted 07/21/2018   07:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't figure it out either. This may explain a bit of it, but not much of it:
http://www.cgpostal.com/myvictoria/Slide95.JPG
Chip
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Posted 07/21/2018   07:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add peterh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure why the estimate was so high, but it was actually unsold.
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Posted 07/21/2018   09:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you both. Very interesting link from your collection, chipg, it was a pleasure to look at all your pages. So now I also know which plates are rare, I guess those where the place is not filled :).

I looked directly in the auction catalogue:
https://d3ums4016ncdkp.cloudfront.n...35/18035.pdf

Same information as on Philasearch. Maybe the "specialised BS28vd" is telling us something?
I think the numeral error could be a premium, but probably not thousands of £.
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Posted 07/22/2018   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect it is because of the plate number.
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Posted 07/23/2018   04:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is there any rarity about plate number 61? I found many other stamps with this plate number without premium.

The only one I found rare is 33, and the last ones 174-177 ?
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Posted 07/23/2018   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Was away and just got back to my references (SG Victoria Specialized, 16th edition)
Worked on figuring out the catalog number:

BS28 - imperforate from plates 59-75 (nothing special)
"d" is a suffix for "double letter," but PB is not listed as a double letter position.
however...
Found the "vd" suffix under beginning of imperforate penny red section (page 80). It refers to:
"Town Cancellations (on stamps)" vx is the catagory - va is black, vb is blue, ..., vd is red.
"Large portion of p/m on stamp" is listed as a catalog of £15000. However, I think this refers to having only the red town cancellation, not both the town and the numeral. However, it could explain the lofty estimate.

As it did not sell, apparently no one else believes that this catalog value applies to this stamp on this cover (with the 98 numeral).

At least there is now a plausible explanation for the lot description.
Chip
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Posted 07/24/2018   02:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Chip,

My copy of the SG QV catalogue arrived yesterday, 16th edition also. What an amazing amount of information to absorb. Your description has helped me no end so I thank you for that.

I think you're absolutely correct on the vd catalogue number being the reason for the high estimate.

Bobby
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Posted 07/24/2018   03:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, yes, this is probably the explanation. It's not really a large portion on the stamp, but on the cover, so they thought. But the collectors didn't think so yet, also no SCF member yet :).

I don't own this great work of catalogue, so thank you all for your interesting posts.
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